UK Leaves the EU - What happens next?

[BREWSTERS]

BTW, Osborne clarified two things this morning.

1. It was't the responsibility of Remain to have a plan for post brexit, but Leave

Then Leave needs to be in power to be able to act. At the moment that isn't the case.

2. There will be economic consequences in the form of higher taxes, etc.

Another threat from the prat Osbourne. This is the third working day after the (tremendous) result. Anyone with any sense will let the dust settle before making any predictions.

While markets are down (numbers on a screen at the moment, that's all it is) some companies will have made a fortune. The company I work for import and export. We are a net exporter though, approx. 80% to the Far East - we've made high five figures on the back of the weaker pound as most of those sales are in USD.

Edwin, did you kick up this much of a fuss in 2008 after the banks got away literally scot-free with trillions of pounds of our tax money after illegally trading?

 

[gimpydog]

I apologise.

No need. Life's way too short.

 

[websaway]

For clarification to those on here who don't
understand. The people of the UK have rescued
an eroding democracy. If proof were needed, it
has been evident by the reaction of the EU parasites
who have become rich off the back of the underprivileged
in society. The situation is as simple as that, now lets
get on with running our country under our own democratic
system. Not that of a the past designed to take power away
from our people.

 

[Admin]

@websaway - you have not acknowledged any of the warnings you have had or any of my posts stating the direct abuse must stop. You continued today so I have given you a 2 day ban which I hope you will notice. You cannot make a post like this directed at another member:

You don't understand politics.
You don't understand people.
and you don't understand the money markets.
These thing are below you.

 

[spiderspider]

Farage sticks it to the EU MEPs. Well worth a watch, 6 minutes long.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36650014

In other news :

 

[monaghan]

BTW, Osborne clarified two things this morning.

1. It was't the responsibility of Remain to have a plan for post brexit, but Leave

Surely it is the responsibility of the government to manage our future (that's what the few who bothered to vote in the previous elections voted them in to do). The government asked us our view on the EU and we told them, they would have known it was a cross party outcome before they even printed the ballot papers.

If the government let the country fail as it is someone else's job then that impacts us all whether we voted in or out.

 

[AlistairM]

Farage sticks it to the EU MEPs. Well worth a watch, 6 minutes long.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36650014

In other news :

Yes saw that on the Parliament Channel. I can't work out what Charlotte Church was doing there sitting behind him though?

 

[Edwin]

Whether you believe any of these would actually happen, this was a comprehensive summary of the ways Brexit might not come about or not...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/world/europe/brexit-bregret-european-union-the-interpreter.html

 

[Edwin]

Surely it is the responsibility of the government to manage our future (that's what the few who bothered to vote in the previous elections voted them in to do). The government asked us our view on the EU and we told them, they would have known it was a cross party outcome before they even printed the ballot papers.

If the government let the country fail as it is someone else's job then that impacts us all whether we voted in or out.

It may or may not be its responsibility - that's a philosophical question - but the practical fact of the matter is that they have explicitly made it clear they are not going to take on that responsibility. Cameron deflected over 50 questions yesterday as being "up to the next government".

 

[monaghan]

It may or may not be its responsibility - that's a philosophical question - but the practical fact of the matter is that they have explicitly made it clear they are not going to take on that responsibility. Cameron deflected over 50 questions yesterday as being "up to the next government".

If they are not going to do anything, then they should step aside now and let someone make a decision whether we are leaving or not, but we can't sit on our hands for the next few months thinking all will be fine.

 

[Edwin]

If they are not going to do anything, then they should step aside now and let someone make a decision whether we are leaving or not, but we can't sit on our hands for the next few months thinking all will be fine.

They are stepping aside, just as quickly as the Conservative Party's process for choosing a new leader allows. The candidature opens tomorrow and closes Thursday, and a new leader will be in place on or before 2 September 2016.

Consequently it's pretty clear that nothing much is going to be able to happen before then (though that won't stop markets and businesses reacting to the uncertainty).

 

[monaghan]

I get the feeling that Edwin may be banging on about this "mistake" long after everyone else has moved on

We may not all agree with Edwin (or other members), but please let's not turn this thread into a personal attack on any member, surely we're all bigger than that?

 

[monaghan]

They are stepping aside, just as quickly as the Conservative Party's process for choosing a new leader allows. The candidature opens tomorrow and closes Thursday, and a new leader will be in place on or before 2 September 2016.

Consequently it's pretty clear that nothing much is going to be able to happen before then (though that won't stop markets and businesses reacting to the uncertainty).

Surely that should have been made clear before the vote, yes we knew Cameron had threatened to go, but we didn't know he would take the ball home and we'd have to negotiate the return of the ball for a few months before the outcome of the vote could be decided.

 

[Edwin]

I get the feeling that Edwin may be banging on about this "mistake" long after everyone else has moved on

Article 50 guarantees we'll be "banging on" about the issue for at least 2 years, once it's activated, since every aspect of the deal on offer is going to be scrutinised and dissected. And until it's activated, well there's still the slim hope that it won't be...

 

[BREWSTERS]

It may or may not be its responsibility - that's a philosophical question

No no no no no - it's not a philosophical question...this is what's wrong with politics!

It is the governments job to work for the will of the people. End of.

They've (both parties) have been getting away with it for decades...possibly centuries.

 

[Edwin]

Surely that should have been made clear before the vote, yes we knew Cameron had threatened to go, but we didn't know he would take the ball home and we'd have to negotiate the return of the ball for a few months before the outcome of the vote could be decided.

It was clear before the vote. David Cameron warned back in January 2016 that the Civil Service was NOT working on a specific Brexit plan.

The media tried very, very hard to get the Leave camp to talk through the specifics of their Brexit plan during the campaign, but it became clear fairly quickly that they didn't have one either.

The "surprise" that those in the Leave camp are now expressing towards the lack of plan is a "politician's surprise" i.e. designed to boost their own position as seen from outside. In reality, there's nothing for them to be surprised about because they've known for 5 months at least that the Government wasn't planning for Brexit.

 

[monaghan]

It was clear before the vote. David Cameron warned back in January 2016 that the Civil Service was NOT working on a specific Brexit plan

The exit process has to be a government led process, is it democratic to hand over the mechanism to a minority of MP's who want to leave, we'd not hand over any other issues in this way. We need both sides views represented in the way the country is going to move forward. We can't just wash our hands with the decision unless all the remain voters jump ship and move to the EU (which we know they can't and won't do).

Is that not irresponsible of the elected government (non party or issue specific) to do nothing given the potential risks to the future of the country (that they kept telling us about) We were asked to decide "in or out", not "agree with us or we'll shaft everyone and resign."

 

[ian]

We may not all agree with Edwin (or other members), but please let's not turn this thread into a personal attack on any member, surely we're all bigger than that?

Was just messing, hence the smiley; Edwin's opinion is just as valid and I welcome it.

 

[Edwin]

There was a huge volume of warnings in the run-up to the referendum (maybe dismissed with the hand-waving moniker "Project Fear") that a pro-Brexit result would leave a vacuum in Government that would quickly be filled by Boris and his fellow Brexiteers. Again, it's not remotely surprising, but it may be "surprising" i.e. there are politicians and pundits who may be seeking to advance their positions by pretending to be surprised.

On the other hand, I have seen commentators on some blogs expressing seemingly genuine surprise that other members of the Vote Leave group (e.g. the UKIP MP, or the Labour MPs who campaigned for Leave) won't have a say in the decision-making process. That, I'm afraid, just reflects their lack of understanding as to how the political process in this country works: the party in power has ALL the say*.

(*They may seek input and opinion from other groups but that's not the same as giving them any power over the outcome.)

 

[Edwin]

No matter how everything else plays out in the next weeks and months (trade, freedom of movement, etc.) we are almost certain to end up with a significantly more right-wing government making the decisions than we have at the moment.