A Quick Question

[Marcoose]

I've not been following .UK lately and was hoping someone could answer a quick question.

With the scenario of a .co.uk going into suspension after Oct 31st (that's the date, right?) and dropping 3 months later, who will get rights to the .UK? Presumably nobody and it will be auctioned off - just wanted some clarity on this.

Thanks!

 

[Systreg]

As long as a .co.uk existed before the cut off date, it still retains the rights to the .uk if it then drops and is registered again.

 

[Edwin]

To make it even clearer, it would be the NEW owner ie whoever reregistered the .co.uk. Oh, and there are no auctions - it's going to be first come first served.

 

[ian]

If Marcoose doesn't mind me asking a question too, to avoid more threads, what happens if I register a .co.uk domain NOW, which doesn't presently have any owner of the .org.uk and .me.uk. Will I be entitled to first option on the .uk, or available to all???

 

[Systreg]

@ Ian, yes, any .co.uk registered before the launch of .uk will attain the rights to register the .uk

Edwin made a useful post here about the permutations of who gets what etc: http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/uk-do...121251-how-understand-uk-release-process.html

Scenario 4: no domain name had preliminary right
A) Final right will be granted to .co.uk holder if it is registered by Launch Day
B) If no .co.uk domain is registered on Launch Day, domain will go to general availability (anyone can register it, first come first served)

 

[Murray]

I rang nominet yesterday

They told me if the co.uk drops after the 28th October the .uk would go to the .org.uk (if registered before 28th)

She asked a colleague and they agreed that is what would happen.

She then checked a tool (not yet available to the public) for a specific domain that dropped and was reregistered after the 28th & it said the newly caught co.uk would get the .UK

She then said she would seek clarification.

She rang me back an hour or so later and told me if the co.uk was registered before the 28th and drops and is reregistered before the .UK lauch date, it will get the .UK

So even the Nom staff are a bit confused.

 

[Edwin]

My summary (linked above) is correct. I think it covers every possible scenario.

 

[ian]

I'm struggling to get my head around this, even with your guide...must be tired!

If the .co.uk was registered before the end of October 2013, regardless of what happens to it afterwards (dropped, caught, unregistered), it supersedes any other extension from Nominet providing the .co.uk is then registered again at launch?

Won't we be in a position soon where we don't know when a domain was first registered, or is that information always displayed on the whois?

 

[grantw]

I'm struggling to get my head around this, even with your guide...must be tired!

If the .co.uk was registered before the end of October 2013, regardless of what happens to it afterwards (dropped, caught, unregistered), it supersedes any other extension from Nominet providing the .co.uk is then registered again at launch?

Won't we be in a position soon where we don't know when a domain was first registered, or is that information always displayed on the whois?

That's basically it, if the .co.uk existed on 28th october it retains the right to .uk as long as it is registered by launch day, regardless of it has dropped or whatever.

It doesn't matter when it was registered, just that it existed on the cut off date. As long as the launch isn't massively delayed then there won't be any confusion because everything dropping will have existed on the cut off date............I think, just got up with a stinking hangover

Grant

 

[websaway]

the way I see it is there is no instance where the co.uk will not be entitled to the .uk

 

[ian]

the way I see it is there is no instance where the co.uk will not be entitled to the .uk

I think there is, for example the .co.uk is registered for the first time after October 28th but the .org.uk was registered and remains registered prior. Chances of this happening are slim though.

 

[woopwoop]

I think existed on Oct 28 means "unavailable to be registered" on Oct 28. So either regd, regd needing renewal, suspended... Any state like that but not available to be registered.

If it was available on Oct 28 and the .org.uk was taken, then the .org.uk get the .uk even if the .co.uk is later registered. I believe it's connected with domain state on Oct 28, it doesn't matter if the .co.uk was registered and expired in 2004... Or even 2012... If the status of the .co.uk is available on Oct 28, then any regd .org.uk gets the .uk

Is that a correct way of thinking about it?

 

[invincible]

I believe this flowchart may assist.

 

[Marcoose]

Thanks for the all the replies... to cut a long story short, will any domains that drop between now and .uk launch, will be entitled to .UK?

That is the reason for me asking the question.

 

[Edwin]

Thanks for the all the replies... to cut a long story short, will any domains that drop between now and .uk launch, will be entitled to .UK?

Yes, if they're .co.uk.

No, if they're not.

 

[invincible]

Yes, if they're .co.uk.

No, if they're not.

It depends if the .co.uk was in the registry database at the time of the cut off. If it wasn't and the matching org.uk was (therefore the .co.uk must have been registered since the cut off date), if for whatever reason the .co.uk is deleted (perhaps at the request of the registrant or perhaps by the registry) the org.uk registrant will still hold the entitlement to the .uk because it was the only one in the registry at the date of the cut off.

You need to work through the flow chart.


(from iPhone)

 

[Edwin]

It depends if the .co.uk was in the registry database at the time of the cut off. If it wasn't and the matching org.uk was (therefore the .co.uk must have been registered since the cut off date), if for whatever reason the .co.uk is deleted (perhaps at the request of the registrant or perhaps by the registry) the org.uk registrant will still hold the entitlement to the .uk because it was the only one in the registry at the date of the cut off.

How can the .co.uk not have been in the database when the minimum registration term is 1 year? (other than the so rare it's probably not worth talking about case that somebody registers something "commercially useful" then promptly turns around and decides they don't want it, and gets it deleted at Nominet during the brief period they allow for such things)

Even if we allow that "September 2014" might still be considered summer by Nominet (in terms of determining the final .uk launch date - all we know at the moment is "summer") that's less than a year on from 28 October 2013 so anything that drops in .co.uk from 28 October 2013 through to launch must have been registered on 28 October 2013.

Or is my calendar buggy?

 

[invincible]

How can the .co.uk not have been in the database when the minimum registration term is 1 year? (other than the so rare it's probably not worth talking about case that somebody registers something "commercially useful" then promptly turns around and decides they don't want it, and gets it deleted at Nominet during the brief period they allow for such things)



Even if we allow that "September 2014" might still be considered summer by Nominet (in terms of determining the final .uk launch date - all we know at the moment is "summer") that's less than a year on from 28 October 2013 so anything that drops in .co.uk from 28 October 2013 through to launch must have been registered on 28 October 2013.



Or is my calendar buggy?

You're really asking me why a domain name could be deleted outside of the ordinary drop process because the likely launch of .uk falls within a year of the cut off date?

Firstly we presume it will definitely launch inside a year of that date but until we have the date of launch and it launches, it hasn't happened.

Domain names can be deleted outside of the ordinary drop process for many reasons. Registrant gone away. Invalid contact details. Registrant company goes out of business. We assume that will be small numbers but they still break the rule. That's why one needs to follow the flow chart in relation to the status of the domain name at the cut of date. Might be pedantic but at least that way it always works and there's no real exceptions.


(from iPhone)

 

[bulkcorn]

I believe this flowchart may assist.

Nice chart. Thanks for sharing!