.UK Announced

[Rob_F]

Agreed, but the preferred choice seems to be becoming clear.

Several years on, Google still redirect google.in to google.co.in

Would you move an established site on a .co.uk to a .uk, or just redirect the .uk it to the .co.uk? That's probably what I will do.

Don't get me wrong, I think .uk will impact things, and certainly cause a lot of confusion, but I don't think it is the nail in the coffin for .co.uk - .co.uk is just far too established. And lets not forgot, .police.uk, .nhs.uk, .gov.uk, .ac.uk etc aren't going anywhere, so .co.uk will never look "odd", for want of a better word.

There will be two possible options for any serious business instead of the current one, .co.uk or .uk (OK, Bailey - 3 inc. .com )

And lets be honest, you are going to want to own both the .co.uk and the .uk if you are a serious online business, so the release of .uk could actually lead to an increase in sales for .co.uk portfolio holders. Can you imagine a TV or radio ad for whatever.uk, how many people do you think would end up at whatever.co.uk? Over half, probably. Trademark holders might get the first laugh, but existing .co.uk holders will get the last – when they (trademark owners) find out they are donating a massive proportion of their traffic to the .co.uk, for eternity. Obviously if your .co.uk is developed, and you don't end up getting the .uk - the reverse is true, although likely to a much lesser extent.

.org.uk etc will gradually cease to be used, but even that will take years, possibly a decade.

- Rob

 

[Rob_F]

I notice Nominet make no mention of the security quagmire this is going to create when it comes to email. Doesn't make for a good sales pitch, I guess.

- Rob

 

[monaghan]

If you are committed to safe, secure business and being proud of your British base then the proposed qualities of the .uk domain are likely to prove incredible value

Is it me or does the UK not go wider than Britain? Aren't there (presently) a few other countries making up the UK?

 

[splashweb]

And lets be honest, you are going to want to own both the .co.uk and the .uk if you are a serious online business, so the release of .uk could actually lead to an increase in sales for .co.uk portfolio holders. Can you imagine a TV or radio ad for whatever.uk, how many people do you think would end up at whatever.co.uk? Over half, probably. Trademark holders might get the first laugh, but existing .co.uk holders will get the last – when they (trademark owners) find out they are donating a massive proportion of their traffic to the .co.uk, for eternity. Obviously if your .co.uk is developed, and you don't end up getting the .uk - the reverse is true, although likely to a much lesser extent.

I tend to agree with you on some of this, but only for .co.uk holders that have established existing rights through use, otherwise you'll potentiallly come up against TM issues from the .uk owner, then having to leave the domain free of relevant content, or find another use, but no benefit from the traffic then.

 

[cav]

maybe I'm imagining this but have Sedo increased the frequency of their .co.uk auctions recently?.....perhaps they are trying to cash in on the dying embers of the popularity of .co.uk before .UK???

 

[grantw]

maybe I'm imagining this but have Sedo increased the frequency of their .co.uk auctions recently?

Don't think so, the one on at the moment is one of those domcollect only auctions posing as a premium .uk auction!!

Grant

 

[redbird]

Sedo recently introduced Last Chance Auctions for SedoPro accounts.

I used it last week and sold one out of my five

 

[Stephen]

I had problems with Nominet acrobat .uk proposal form in that my adobe pdf reader x v 10.4 would not save as the version (with the completed data) and I had to try and sent via echosign, has had anybody had similar problems?

 

[domainking]

.uk

Just wait till the first .UK goes after a .co.uk thats been around for years. if this happens then there could be a cause for negligence.

Im not a lawyer bout would think this could open a cn of worms to both UK register and owners of domains.

On a personal note would like this question answered as being a Scottish Pro person. Why is Nominet planning to launch the .UK when Scotland might be independant in 18 months time. are politics being dictated to Nominet by a UK Goverment. this looks like its more a political strategy to weaken a Pro Scottish movement. maybe ask my Scottish MP to look into this matter.

 

[Retired_member41]

That's a great point about the uk going after the co uk.

As for your independence. 30 years away from this happening. Over 40% of people employed by the state will make it impossible.

 

[tifosi]

Just wait till the first .UK goes after a .co.uk thats been around for years. if this happens then there could be a cause for negligence.

Not sure about negligence, but I can see a whole world of pain for the drs people. Both ways, especially if a competitor gets the .uk and conflicts with the .co.uk. Really not sure Nominet has envisigaged just what that would do... they've just said it's an opportunity for trademark holders to get the premium domain!

On a personal note would like this question answered as being a Scottish Pro person. Why is Nominet planning to launch the .UK when Scotland might be independant in 18 months time. are politics being dictated to Nominet by a UK Goverment. this looks like its more a political strategy to weaken a Pro Scottish movement. maybe ask my Scottish MP to look into this matter.

Because .uk is an icann delegation. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't make it political and divert the thread.

 

[Blossom]

Is it me or does the UK not go wider than Britain? Aren't there (presently) a few other countries making up the UK?

Britain is England, Scotland, Wales.
UK is England, Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland.

If Scotland does go independent, I'm sure Nominet will be on the ball and release .gb as the NEW new top domain for British business

 

[addz123]

Not sure about negligence, but I can see a whole world of pain for the drs people. Both ways, especially if a competitor gets the .uk and conflicts with the .co.uk. Really not sure Nominet has envisigaged just what that would do... they've just said it's an opportunity for trademark holders to get the premium domain!

Why is there so much debate about .co.uk vs. .uk?

I don't recall anyone bringing up competitors or issues with the owners of .org.uk, .uk.com, .uk.net etc when it comes to .co.uk.

Why aren't people arguing about the right to .org.uk if you own the .co.uk?

There are already many .uk extensions but people seem obsessed with this .uk release. I'm not saying it's good, but how can you argue about .uk being released creating a threat to your business and being unfair when there are already other uk extensions just like it?

Let's not forget .uk and extensions like .com/.co.uk could become irrelevant if the majority of businesses start using the new ICANN extensions like .hotel, .travel, .shop, .computer etc..

I don't know why people are flocking to .com as the "safe investment" when hundreds of new extensions are going to come into play.

 

[tifosi]

Britain is England, Scotland, Wales.
UK is England, Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland.

If Scotland does go independent, I'm sure Nominet will be on the ball and release .gb as the NEW new top domain for British business

Only if icann allows it and I doubt they will. Still, I'll be there on support duty to lay a few bricks for Hadrian!

 

[websaway]

Why is there so much debate about .co.uk vs. .uk?

I don't recall anyone bringing up competitors or issues with the owners of .org.uk, .uk.com, .uk.net etc when it comes to .co.uk.

Why aren't people arguing about the right to .org.uk if you own the .co.uk?

There are already many .uk extensions but people seem obsessed with this .uk release. I'm not saying it's good, but how can you argue about .uk being released creating a threat to your business and being unfair when there are already other uk extensions just like it?

Let's not forget .uk and extensions like .com/.co.uk could become irrelevant if the majority of businesses start using the new ICANN extensions like .hotel, .travel, .shop, .computer etc..

I don't know why people are flocking to .com as the "safe investment" when hundreds of new extensions are going to come into play.

Because org.uk was meant for non profit. uk.com and uk.net are not extensions they are just sub domains. The new .uk would be a direct competitor to co.uk so they are selling exactly the same space twice.

The new extensions you refer to will need to be marketed and it's not going to happen in any big way. Result - the .com will become an even stronger brand.

 

[GreyWing]

Why is there so much debate about .co.uk vs. .uk?

I don't recall anyone bringing up competitors or issues with the owners of .org.uk, .uk.com, .uk.net etc when it comes to .co.uk.

Because the .co.uk and .org.uk etc are on the same level (second level), the .uk will be on the top level, Giving it an unfair advantage in the .uk family.

If Nominet didn't know this was an advantage it would release all the security features and price increases etc on secure.uk Nobody would kick up a fuss.

But it knows the whole venture is flawed unless it can strong arm people into buying it, by using brand protection as a reason. We are campaigning against being strong armed into something (paying extra) or face losing out.

 

[Bailey]

Addz123

Lets not forget the new Gtlds .computer etc start at around a $100,000 each with infrastructure requirements as well.

So hardly part and parcel of any existing market. as for the buyers then selling sub domains, not going to anywhere near as popular as .com for lots of reasons.

 

[Bailey]

And as a late point Addz123.

I think your comment about the current conflicts between existing UK extensions - Is good one. One that probably rose its head at around 1996 ( and hung around for awhile -but, long since forgotten) And it may well be the same in 2 -3 years. The argument about the 'BIG' difference between co.uk & UK may well prove not to be much of an Issue for most business sites at large.

 

[domainking]

Only if icann allows it and I doubt they will. Still, I'll be there on support duty to lay a few bricks for Hadrian!

Tifosi when the wall goes up your barred. Just wait till we start selling cheap whisky, cheap fags, then start selling your our water. then have to import your own oil as been stealing ours for years. lets face it its about time we stopped bailing england.

 

[GreyWing]

I mentioned previously about trademarking your domain name. There are around 6000 trademarks that have trademarked their domain names that end in .co.uk with the UK trademark office.

It also goes across classes, so if someone for example has registered loans.co.uk in money, it will stop anyone trading a similar name related to engineering etc. If these proposals go ahead I will be registering my main ones as trademarks and asking a court to issue an interim injunction against any auction.

By the way, isn't it good when people like trademark.co.uk and legal.co.uk are set to lose their names. It kind of gives them a dog in the fight when giving advice.