.UK Announced

[websaway]

My Thoughts on this.

Business A does not like customers D wants customers ISP
Customers D been like a plague to Business A
Business A plan take out big players customers D by introducing product UK.
Killing of the lesser extention of the UK. wipping out the plague of D customers. same time increasing the value of product UK 300% what a great business model.

D investors on first product loose out.
ISP makes money
Business A makes money
All those new start up business or people who missed out on the domain market in the early years are getting a chance to grab a chunk of the market.

As a customer D think .UK at £20.00 is a better and fairer way in todays market all for it. even being one of the loosers in this lottery. we all had a good run with domains over the years now the second big change for UK. bring it on looking foward to it.

So if government said we are confiscating all the the uk housing and selling tickets to raffle them for £100 each, homeless have first choice of tickets, people who already own homes are last to buy tickets because they have already had a good run after getting in early.

 

[Retired_member41]

Surely nominet are of doing this as they have added many more mouths to be fed than a registry really needs to run.

In its current state they get by, but soon the cash flow will evaporate and then the business will look bad.

Anyone can make a business look well run and successful if they have pots of money.

But in a year or so at this rate they will have questions to answer.

The answer isn't .UK. It's streamlining their current business so it can operate within its means.

They should be able to display that they can do this for the coming years before they are trusted with another cash injection.

I've heard Conrad Black may be back to take control

(Sorry I'm not that informed but my opinion anyhow)

 

[websaway]

That's not a fair comparison though...

As a domain name registrant, you don't own the domain name. You lease it for a period of 'X' amount of years, do you not?

Home owners are exactly that - home owners.

Yes I see what you mean but ownership comes in many forms and it was only the principle I was outlining.

I'm a firm believer that the business uk namespace has already been sold and can't properly be sold again.

 

[anthony]

...As a domain name registrant, you don't own the domain name...

Possibly not. I'll post a link up very shortly about that.

 

[Rob_F]

If Nom follow their own sunrise proposals and rules – they ain't going to get direct.uk as they don't own a TM for the word "direct".

What a mess. I personally consider the board totally incompetent and have lost complete faith in their ability to run the organisation fairly and competently. It saddens me to say that as I once considered Nominet as good as it gets in terms of registries.

- Rob

 

[retired_member33]

Where does one apply for a UK trademark?

 

[foz]

Where does one apply for a UK trademark?

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-applying/t-apply.htm

 

[bensd]

Where does one apply for a UK trademark?

When they released the short .uk domains only TM holders before a certain date were allowed to apply. Not sure by registering a TM now will make any difference

 

[WaftyCrank]

When they released the short .uk domains only TM holders before a certain date were allowed to apply. Not sure by registering a TM now will make any difference

Apparently it won't. I asked the same question a couple of pages back. The only way would be to buy an existing TM that has been registered prior to the consultation being announced. That said some people have said that if you register say sussexcars.co.uk as a trademark (rather than sussex cars) now then I'm sure it's been mentioned that trademark law overrides nominet and as such when the confusingly similar domain sussexcars.uk is released and you don't get it, if you own the TM from now you'd have a string case of winning under the idea that it is 'confusingly similar' to your own domain and that it should be transferred to you.

 

[domainking]

Domains

Thought would mention in less 2 years time there will not be a UK why bring out a .UK extention.

 

[domainking]

Domains

Maybe its time for the UK Goverment to take control of Nominet and run it like the DVLA. said it for years that goverment dept should run the namespace. put better controls on who gets domains.

 

[domainking]

By charging £20 per year to register Nominet hope they will drive a lot of large portfolio owners out of business how many have the £20,000 per year needed for every thousand names they own.

Its also looking more likely that Nominet will come under some form of government control to mop up the extra revenue this new venture will make.

I also don't believe Nominet will allow drop catching to continue with the new release so ending the monster that they created in the first place.

They are never going to allow the current owners to have grandfather rights as they are looking for change.

Nominet has disliked domain portfolio owners from the very beginning why are people now so suddenly surprised?

totally agree sound.

 

[tifosi]

S'okay, we've got a half-built wall we can rebuilt. You can stop one side and spend your time playing golf with Salmon and his bankrolling crony Trump...

Yes, off topic...

... now back on track!

 

[Stephen]

Security info from Nominet

The central security measures in .uk being proposed are in my opinion not fit to reduce crime and potentially harm .co.uk whilst providing a badge of secuirity that Nominet would never be able to live up to with as no control over content and intention on the .uk websites.

I wanted to test this and requested Nominet to provide me with the source of the cyber crime figure of £27 billion to try and see how much would be stoped by their proposals.

Nominet have kindly provided the data, in case anybody else wants to look ;

"The reference on the website is taken from page 2 of the report ‘The Cost of Cyber Crime’ from Detica in partnership with the Office of Cyber Security and Information Assurance in the Cabinet Office : http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/sit...urces/the-cost-of-cyber-crime-full-report.pdf

It is also further referenced, as is the report, on page 16 of the UK Cyber Security Strategy which can be accessed here http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/sites/default/files/resources/uk-cyber-security-strategy-final.pdf"

Rgds
Stephen

 

[websaway]

For people who have done extensive real world graphic work on shop fronts, vehicles and stationery etc. a simple tip. Just register the .co and paint or tipex out the .uk In the ensuing confusion nobody will think anything untoward, just that it's another extension to the uk name space, and you can avoid all the work and expense nominet are proposing for you.

simples, why didn't I think of that?

 

[splashweb]

This is an interesting thread around a very similar topic regarding .co.in Vs .in. The overall consensus seems to be that .in is in the process of dominating over .co.in; make your own mind up.

This was a done deal a while back, so it's further down the road and a more relevant case study IMO than .nz:

http://www.inforum.in/general-indian-domain-name-discussion/2966-vs-co.html

 

[getmein]

I just got a link to this in a 123 newsletter:

http://www.123-reg.co.uk/blog/domains/what-the-uk/

I know it's a marketing piece from a registrar who will benefit greatly from being able to increase their income per customer but they've clearly distilled the 'sizzle' they'll be selling to their customers. To someone who doesn't understand domains, 'more security' and 'shorter' both sound like absolute positives.

Whats seems to be changing, is that nominet previously acted as the 'guardian' of the registry - but they can't claim to be a disinterested party in these proposals.

 

[Rob_F]

This is an interesting thread around a very similar topic regarding .co.in Vs .in. The overall consensus seems to be that .in is in the process of dominating over .co.in; make your own mind up.

This was a done deal a while back, so it's further down the road and a more relevant case study IMO than .nz:

http://www.inforum.in/general-indian-domain-name-discussion/2966-vs-co.html

There is a massive difference though, .in was released back in 2005, in 2004 there was only 7000 .co.in, etc, domains in existence. Compare that to the UK's 10,000,000 + and over a decade of serious branding.

- Rob

 

[splashweb]

There is a massive difference though, .in was released back in 2005, in 2004 there was only 7000 .co.in, etc, domains in existence. Compare that to the UK's 10,000,000 + and over a decade of serious branding.

Agreed, but the preferred choice seems to be becoming clear.

 

[tifosi]

I just got a link to this in a 123 newsletter:

http://www.123-reg.co.uk/blog/domains/what-the-uk/

I know it's a marketing piece from a registrar who will benefit greatly from being able to increase their income per customer but they've clearly distilled the 'sizzle' they'll be selling to their customers. To someone who doesn't understand domains, 'more security' and 'shorter' both sound like absolute positives.

Whats seems to be changing, is that nominet previously acted as the 'guardian' of the registry - but they can't claim to be a disinterested party in these proposals.

No mention of trademarks. No mention of having the .co.uk and not getting the .uk. No mention the the cost of rebranding will certainly be more than the price of a happy meal!

Unsurprising they're behind it though.