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.UK Announced

"From my point of view the .UK introduction is a breath of fresh air for many Cybersquatters who will get the domain they wanted opposed to paying silly money to current owners."

Couple of words changed word changed and your argument falls aparts.

Mate, I am not trying to start an argument, I am posting my views towards the .UK introduction. My business (for 75%) evolves around another tld but whatever tld I am sellling I am always keen to sell at a price which works for me and (more importantly) works for the buyer.

Anyway, use the words cybersquatters and current owners as much as you want, I think its ( as I said) a breath of fresh air to many business owners... In the old days all the good names have been snapped up by the internet savvy guys who were old enough to buy a domain while they were in college or trying to get their business started.

We all know that being a domainer is not a business, it's just being at the right place at the right time... I would love to see a domainer challenge where domainers would actually have to sell something on a Highstreet, I guess most of them would actually run off to an internet cafe and hide..
 
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Mate, I am not trying to start an argument, I am posting my views towards the .UK introduction. My business (for 75%) evolves around another tld but whatever tld I am sellling I am always keen to sell at a price which works for me and (more importantly) works for the buyer.

We all know that being a domainer is not a business, it's just being at the right place at the right time... I would love to see a domainer challenge where domainers would actually have to sell something on a Highstreet, I guess most of them would actually run off to an internet cafe and hide..

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You misunderstand what I am saying mate, you think that businesses are going to get these names? You think that domainers are going to get these names?

Nope, domain warehouses are going to get these names and if anyone here thinks the names will be available to businesses cheaper than what they are now, they really really do not know the business.

I just shake my head at the point where people think these names will ever get to businesses. Domain investors know what names are worth money now, they know the limits to spend.

Chaos is a breath of fresh air to stability, that I grant you.
 
You misunderstand what I am saying mate, you think that businesses are going to get these names? You think that domainers are going to get these names?

Nope, domain warehouses are going to get these names and if anyone here thinks the names will be available to businesses cheaper than what they are now, they really really do not know the business.

I just shake my head at the point where people think these names will ever get to businesses. Domain investors know what names are worth money now, they know the limits to spend.

Chaos is a breath of fresh air to stability, that I grant you.

I am very sure that businesses will get what they want... Just having a look at a list of domains owned by one of the members here ( someome who is fighting a campaign against .uk) and most of the domains are just snapped up and are now offered by this person for ridiculous prices.. Prices for which a business would rather reg the .net or whatever is available instead of paying the prices offered by this person and when they would hear about the .UK introduction (Which I feel(unfortunally) a lot of businessess won't) snap up their .UK for reg fee.
 
I am not talking about Trademarks here, just generic names which are valuable to a business but which are snapped up by domainers and which are never released unless you pay the £xxxx or more which they want for it.
 
I am very sure that businesses will get what they want... Just having a look at a list of domains owned by one of the members here ( someome who is fighting a campaign against .uk) and most of the domains are just snapped up and are now offered by this person for ridiculous prices.. Prices for which a business would rather reg the .net or whatever is available instead of paying the prices offered by this person and when they would hear about the .UK introduction (Which I feel(unfortunally) a lot of businessess won't) snap up their .UK for reg fee.

But that is how Harrod's and Ferrari work, people can't afford them so they go for the next one down or find a level they can afford. .net, .co .ltd.uk whatever it maybe, the option is there.

What you are arguing for is someone who can't afford shopping from Mark's and Spencer's to be given equivalent from Harrod's at Aldi prices.

Not being able to afford something is called life. The myth that names aren't available is silly, they are, below not above the current level.

Whether you like it or not, the person you refer yo must be selling some or they wouldn't keep buying them. Or if they aren't selling then they are paying Nominet money for nothing in renewal fees and funding the network for others. Which is jolly nice of them isn't it?

Sorry mate but it sounds like you are on a crusade to stop the free market to me.
 
I am very sure that businesses will get what they want... Just having a look at a list of domains owned by one of the members here ( someome who is fighting a campaign against .uk) and most of the domains are just snapped up and are now offered by this person for ridiculous prices.. Prices for which a business would rather reg the .net or whatever is available instead of paying the prices offered by this person and when they would hear about the .UK introduction (Which I feel(unfortunally) a lot of businessess won't) snap up their .UK for reg fee.

If you're going to have a crack at someone, then at the very least have the guts to name them rather than simply "one of the members here" so that they have a chance to defend themselves if they so wish.
 
If you're going to have a crack at someone, then at the very least have the guts to name them rather than simply "one of the members here" so that they have a chance to defend themselves if they so wish.

Isn't it what a lot of people on here do - not just you. I think it is a fair comment.

Stephen.
 
Isn't it what a lot of people on here do - not just you. I think it is a fair comment.

I didn't say anything about it being just me.

A lot of people have poured an extraordinary amount of effort into this thread to try (again and again) to steer it back onto a productive track every time in threatened to go off the rails, so if somebody's going to go on the attack then they need to be specific so that it can be nipped in the bud/otherwise dealt with without sidetracking the wider issue, otherwise we'll get lost in a crossfire of mud-slinging... and the only winner then will be Nominet!
 
I think the .uk introduction is great....Why?

For too many years people have been sitting on domains which actually have no value to them but which are valuable to small businesses but whenever a business wants to buy the domain they are being told its £xxxx or some shit valuation, from my point of view this doesn't make any sense... I am a domainer and have a fair number of domains and when a business contacts me I make sure we sort out a price which works for the two of us... In my opinion that is what a domainer does...

But there are too many people on this forum who would rather keep their domains and sell them for a ridiculous price then to support a proper business...

From my point of view the .UK introduction is a breath of fresh air for many businesses who will get the domain they wanted opposed to paying silly money to domainers.



I can't think of the saying at the moment so I will make up my own.. We all live to evolve and the people who can't are just stuck in their own imagination.


I respect your right to an opinion on this matter but a word of caution. You are deluding yourself and risk misinforming others if you think the frustrations you feel about the domain market will in any way be solved by the introduction of Nominets proposals in their current form, or probably in any form.
 
I think the .uk introduction is great....Why?

For too many years people have been sitting on domains which actually have no value to them but which are valuable to small businesses but whenever a business wants to buy the domain they are being told its £xxxx or some shit valuation, from my point of view this doesn't make any sense... I am a domainer and have a fair number of domains and when a business contacts me I make sure we sort out a price which works for the two of us... In my opinion that is what a domainer does...

But there are too many people on this forum who would rather keep their domains and sell them for a ridiculous price then to support a proper business...

From my point of view the .UK introduction is a breath of fresh air for many businesses who will get the domain they wanted opposed to paying silly money to domainers.

I can't think of the saying at the moment so I will make up my own.. We all live to evolve and the people who can't are just stuck in their own imagination.

I don't get what you're trying to say here, if we all got anything for the price we are prepared to pay for it then we'd be in a very different world. I wanted to buy a field a little while ago (to get a horse, etc.) so approached the owner who wanted over £85k... for a 1.5 acre field! He doesn't do anything with it, has never done anything with it but said the value was in the potential of possibly getting planning permission. I moved on. That's life.
If businesses had the foresight, intuition and perception of developing a prime generic then they may have reaped rewards far greater than the asking price. The introduction of .uk reaches much further than hurting domainers. Domainers tend to be more in the know and have better connections and resources than most sme's.
We do all live to evolve and investors/domainers have helped evolve a healthy secondary market simply by using their intuition and imagination.
When I first got onto the online marketplace I was upset at the prices that people wanted 'for a simple name that probably cost them £6'. Then I took the time to learn why names were valued like this, set up a few sites, ppc, affiliate, etc. and understand where this value on 'potential' comes from.
 
Sorry if I repeat a couple of things Viceroy said but I had already written this:-

The thing is that the domain world as we currently know it is an industry, and it is an industry because it circles around a commodity that has value and that value has taken circa 15+ years to grow. Earlier this year, it became recognised in a mainstream way by the IDNX being added to news/financial sites and in many ways I believe we were at a “tipping point” in the UK in terms of the marketers and end user buyers finally being about to understand the marketing power that domains hold and pay the right prices for them.

The domain industry like any industry consists of different types of people/businesses that trade within it in various different ways
There has never been anything as far as I am aware to stop businesses buying drops etc themselves, nor was there anything stopping businesses buying up names from registrars from the mid nineties through to 2005/6 when there were still lots of names available. In fact nothing has stopped businesses doing any of the above as far as I can see and frankly in my opinion if existing businesses have not woken up to the value of domains until it was too late then they were not keeping a good enough eye on the digital market.

For new entrants into the market (i.e. new businesses) the fact that entry costs are higher now should just be seen as progression.

Both the GTLD launch and now the Nominet issue seem to have come along totally out of the blue. The GTLD thing was a big enough issue in my mind to cause major problems in the digital world but the Nominet matter is in a different league. I don’t believe it is just the domain industry that this will adversely impact upon - it is the whole digital industry and I think there are a multitude of reasons why this should not go ahead and I for one find it difficult to see why anyone involved in “digital” would want to agree with it.
 
A blog post I made back in February is relevant here...

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At Memorable Domains, we consistently receive emails that seek to “educate” us about our core business. You may have come across the kind of thing I mean already: “I’ll give you £25 for your domain name. That’s 3x what you paid for it so you’ll make a nice profit.” or “I’ll offer £50 – that’s already more than it’s worth.” or even “You should sell us the domain name for £100 because that’s all we can afford.”

The mental model their authors have of how the industry works is so far from reality that it’s worth taking a moment to deconstruct it and highlight just how misguided such offers really are.

A) Sell-through rate: It’s a fact of life in the domain industry that few domain names sell in any given year. We figure on selling between 1%-2% of our inventory each year (although we’re always looking for ways to improve on that) and anecdotally that’s in line with other industry players. What that means in practice is that for every domain that sells, there are between 50 and 99 domains that will need renewing, which translates into carrying costs of many hundreds of pounds per sold domain name.

B) Acquisition costs: Domain names don’t grow on trees. Most portfolios have been painstakingly built up over time via a range of routes (free-to-register domains, catching expiring domains, opportunistic buys from other domainers or from end-users selling at prices perceived as offering additional latent value, etc.) And nearly every one of those routes incurs higher costs than just registering a domain name would.

C) Research and sales costs: Researching commercially valuable domains takes time. Lots of time. And time is money. That time has to be paid for somehow, so it factors into the ultimate selling price.

Similarly, domains don’t magically sell themselves. Deals have to be negotiated, invoices issued, payments chased, buyers educated, domains transferred, transfers verified, and inventory and accounts updated. All that takes time, which translates into more money.

D) Inherent market value: The old saw is that a domain name is only “worth what somebody is willing to pay for it” but that doesn’t mean that the price should be dictated by somebody trying to get it for a song because they have no clue what makes a domain valuable!

If a domain name is generic, and describes a commercial product or service exactly, one which is sold by multiple companies all competing for that sale, then it automatically has a baseline value which can easily be thousands of pounds or more.

Factors such as the size of the market, the value of an incremental sale, the number of companies selling the product or service, the amounts being spent on marketing/advertising to that market, the size of the niche, whether the domain name in question is the “top” term for that niche, and many other considerations all have a positive impact on its value.

E) Likelihood of availability: If it had a shred of commercial potential, the domain name wouldn’t have been available available anyway, even if we weren’t the ones to register it. That means that any attempt to compare an offer to the standard domain registration fee is inherently misleading.

F) Opportunity cost of sales: Because domain names are unique, there is a real opportunity cost to every sale. Simply put, once it’s gone it’s gone. If I sell domain X on Monday, I can’t sell it again on Tuesday! Consequently the price of that domain name needs to reflect, in some way, both the loss of the name, and its potential replacement cost within the portfolio.

G) Cause and effect reversal: You wouldn’t go into a car dealership and expect to emerge with a new vehicle for a fraction of its market value because you were a poor student and that was “all you could afford”. Nor would you expect a jeweller to magically hand over his diamonds for pennies because you were a charity or non-profit. Yet for some people the usual rules of capitalism seem to fly out the window when it comes to domain names.

We receive more than our fair share of enquiries from people who make the fundamental mistake of believing that because they can’t pay much for a given domain name (due to being poor / students / a charity / a non-profit / a startup / cash-strapped – DELETE AS APPROPRIATE) therefore we should sell it to them at a knock-down price.

While it’s true some businesses do offer preferrential rates to certain groups such as students or older people, these discounts are inevitably minor and designed to provoke repeat business. Domain sales on the other hand are one-off transactions, just like most other large-ticket sales.

Bottom line, the price of a domain name is not predicated on the ability of a particular buyer to pay for it. Cause and effect are preserved.

All that said, the act of domain name registration itself does not automatically imbue that domain name with value, no matter how much the registrant may fervently wish it to do so.

Instead, it’s the commercial potential of the domain name and of the market it addresses – what we, you or others will be able to do with it – that creates the value. The registration itself only creates the opportunity. In other words, if you register a random jumble of meaningless words the domain name is still going to be worth exactly nothing after you’ve finished registering it!
 
Nominet's handling of that conference makes my blood boil.

Ironically it was that bad mate, it was actually pretty good because people contact me now saying "WTF was that". :D

Regardless of what side of the debate people are on, everyone is bemused by it.
 
Nominet's handling of that conference makes my blood boil.

I think a lot of that came down to Piers White. He was in favour of the panel style. A finance person thinking he knows the domain space. A complete novice.
 

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