.UK Announced

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Do you know where you can buy a .uk.co (3rd elvel) as it might make a nice site name eg. confusion.uk.co for a second round fight if nominet launch .uk without taking account of the views of the many?

.uk.co got shut down in 2003:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/20/uk_co_killed_by_colombian

Today Bob Fox runs www.bb-online.co.uk

 

[markb]

I was just looking at a page on the agreatpacetobe website below which described what each uk domain extension is used for. I wonder what nominet plan to use direct.uk for?

http://www.agreatplacetobe.co.uk/which-uk/

 

[websaway]

I was just looking at a page on the agreatpacetobe website below which described what each uk domain extension is used for. I wonder what nominet plan to use direct.uk for?

http://www.agreatplacetobe.co.uk/which-uk/

This has for me been the crux of the matter from day one.
It is of course a case of selling the business/corporate space for a second time, but they are hoping to cloak it in the issue of security so it's not so audatious and rely on the vast sums of income involved to drive it through.

 

[Stephen]

I was just looking at a page on the agreatpacetobe website below which described what each uk domain extension is used for. I wonder what nominet plan to use direct.uk for?

http://www.agreatplacetobe.co.uk/which-uk/

When asked this directly and in writing they state:

This is only a consultation and we have not decided what marketing we would do after the introduction of .uk,
so no decision has been made on what we would say about each UK extension.​

 

[markb]

This has for me been the crux of the matter from day one.
It is of course a case of selling the business/corporate space for a second time, but they are hoping to cloak it in the issue of security so it's not so audatious and rely on the vast sums of income involved to drive it through.

I think this is the main reason everyone who knows about the proposals feels cheated. Nominet are just tring to resell the business space a second time with no guarantee's existing businesses will be able to buy their own space.

If the issue really is about security, then come on Nominet, prove it and make the existing uk domains secure.

If the issue is that you wished you had brought out shorter domains orginally, i.e. .uk instead of .co.uk, then replace the .co.uk domains with the .uk domains. This could be done gradually over time.

 

[markb]

When asked this directly and in writing they state:

This is only a consultation and we have not decided what marketing we would do after the introduction of .uk,
so no decision has been made on what we would say about each UK extension.​

What kind of answer is that? They will obviously try to make a use up, like ".uk can be used by any business, charity or individual person, as long as they are from the UK".

 

[websaway]

What kind of answer is that? They will obviously try to make a use up, like ".uk can be used by any business, charity or individual person, as long as they are from the UK".

Another thought that occurs to me is that in the past most restrictions that are placed on domains fall by the wayside after time when it becomes impractical to police.
So eventually this would just become a .uk extension and Nominet would sell as many as they could regardless.

Not for profit organisation, they must be living on another planet.

 

[markb]

I think what it boils down to, is that if you are a business and you own a website built on a .co.uk domain name, you cannt afford to let someone come along and take the .uk version of your domain name.

By letting the .uk version go to someone else, you are leaving your business open to be abused as the .uk will look like it has more authority being shorter and people will confuse the 2 domains.

The problem is the majority of business owners won't even have the option to secure the .uk version of their domain, they will either be beaten their by trademark holders or they won't know about the auctions so other people will register their corresponding domains.

Nominet would'nt be able to email the millions of businesses to let them know that the corresponding domain was being auctioned. This is because nominet have said the .uk domains are a totally seperate product, so would have no relevance to businesses owners with .co.uk domains or .org.uk organisations, so couldnt email them about it. This would mean, because only domainers would know about the new .uk domains, that they could register the majority of the new domains when they are released.

 

[websaway]

I think what it boils down to, is that if you are a business and you own a website built on a .co.uk domain name, you cannt afford to let someone come along and take the .uk version of your domain name.

By letting the .uk version go to someone else, you are leaving your business open to be abused as the .uk will look like it has more authority being shorter and people will confuse the 2 domains.

The problem is the majority of business owners won't even have the option to secure the .uk version of their domain, they will either be beaten their by trademark holders or they won't know about the auctions so other people will register their corresponding domains.

Nominet would'nt be able to email the millions of businesses to let them know that the corresponding domain was being auctioned. This is because nominet have said the .uk domains are a totally seperate product, so would have no relevance to businesses owners with .co.uk domains or .org.uk organisations, so couldnt email them about it. This would mean, because only domainers would know about the new .uk domains, that they could register the majority of the new domains when they are released.

You've certainly captured it there for me.
Stinks of deception.

 

[markb]

Ive noticed some people on here have managed to send emails to people in nominet and get actual direct responses to those. Do you know who I should be emailing? I would like someone at nominet to respond directly to my concerns coming from a business owner who owns successful .co.uk websites. I know my concerns will be the same as millions of other uk businesses, and we havent yet had a response from nominet which would put our minds at ease.

Thanks

 

[TinkyWinky]

This is only a consultation and we have not decided what marketing we would do after the introduction of .uk, so no decision has been made on what we would say about each UK extension.

Well that's utter sh&t.

If that is a 100% true statement then every single one us needs to ask what the f&&& they are doing as Directors.

Why?

Because you would not run a consultation without a pretty solid "master plan"!

Yes things will change based on the outcome - but unless I am a bit odd here, you'd have an outline economic, marketing and advertising plan as you would need to know the ramifications of each one based on the consultation - especially with one that's been as loaded as this.

So:

If this is not part of their "master plan" then we need to ask why bother running the consultation then.

If it is part of the "master plan" then they are lying.

Why Does it Matter?

This consultation has cost a lot of time and money as well as using all the resources of Nominet.

So if this IS an official line - then I suggest we challenge them now on what they are doing strategically as either way this doesn't add up.

What a bunch of fools.

 

[Stephen]

Nominet post .uk world planning

If that is a 100% true statement then every single one us needs to ask what the f&&& they are doing as Directors.

I quote from a Nominet email I received back to these very questions, on this subject of a post .uk world:

" As it is not decided whether a direct.uk service will proceed, or if it does the form the service might take,
it is simply not possible to provide answers to your questions on implementation, strategy, marketing communications,
or how any changes to terms and conditions might manifest themselves. "

This is also the standard answer (although not quite as verbose) at the face to face meetings with Nominet, I received.

 

[jimmc]

Challenge them, the primary UK extension has already been sold and cannot be sold twice. I have told them in my reply that what they are doing is morally wrong and probably illegal. This same idea was rolled out in 2008 and it was soundly beaten.

The security spiel is just that and will make no difference whatsoever.

This however will seriously devalue any .co.uk and I have said that "if" the .uk is to be introduced "they must" supply it FREE to the .co.uk owner and the .co.uk should be phased out completely but only when the replacement name has reached parity for the original owners on Google.

This is nothing more than a money making exercise for Nominet, UK Gov plc and those registrars who just happen to be on the Nominet board!!!

Lets take them on - Whens the EGM???

 

[Systreg]

This is nothing more than a money making exercise for Nominet, UK Gov plc and those registrars who just happen to be on the Nominet board!!!

As far as I'm concerned, trying to sell something that has already been sold, makes them all scammers.

 

[anthony]

I'm not even sure Nominet has the legal right to roll out .uk, it was never founded on that basis, which stems only from .uk sub domains managed by the UK Naming Committee. Authority for coordinating and administering the co.uk sub-domain was delegated to the UK Naming Committee made up of three commercial and two non-commercial Internet Access Providers. However, the Joint Network Team, which subsequently evolved into the UK Education and Research Networking Association (UKERNA), maintained a right of veto over decisions reached by this committee. Nominet evolved from the committee, which still to this day has no control .ac.uk.

Any decision which may affect the educational establishments of the UK in any way should be referred to Parlaiment.

 

[websaway]

I think the views on this thread are now repeating those at the outset in October,which is good because it shows a consistency of common sense.

 

[Nigel]

New Song to sing 'spam when they want to'

Just read this on the i.co.uk site. Has this been discussed on here? Has anyone got a link to the old release on this as I'd like to see it.

"We also just picked up this little snippet from an old release concerning the Short Domain consultation Nominet undertook back in 2010 prior to an issue relating to a little over 2,800 short domains. “Nominet also wrote to the holders of approximately 20,000 trademarks corresponding to the character sets potentially subject to release ……” So they contacted directly 20,000 POTENTIAL stakeholders as part of that consultation but not the ACTUAL 10,276,759 stakeholders this go round. hmmmmmmm"

and the link is here:
http://i.co.uk/?p=11797

 

[Nigel]

I'm not even sure Nominet has the legal right to roll out .uk, it was never founded on that basis, which stems only from .uk sub domains managed by the UK Naming Committee. Authority for coordinating and administering the co.uk sub-domain was delegated to the UK Naming Committee made up of three commercial and two non-commercial Internet Access Providers. However, the Joint Network Team, which subsequently evolved into the UK Education and Research Networking Association (UKERNA), maintained a right of veto over decisions reached by this committee. Nominet evolved from the committee, which still to this day has no control .ac.uk.

Any decision which may affect the educational establishments of the UK in any way should be referred to Parlaiment.

very good point Anthony

 

[Stephen]

Just read this on the i.co.uk site. Has this been discussed on here? Has anyone got a link to the old release on this as I'd like to see it.

"We also just picked up this little snippet from an old release concerning the Short Domain consultation Nominet undertook back in 2010 prior to an issue relating to a little over 2,800 short domains. “Nominet also wrote to the holders of approximately 20,000 trademarks corresponding to the character sets potentially subject to release ……” So they contacted directly 20,000 POTENTIAL stakeholders as part of that consultation but not the ACTUAL 10,276,759 stakeholders this go round. hmmmmmmm"

and the link is here:
http://i.co.uk/?p=11797

Thanks for that.

Early in this thread, I was sceptical about the posts about how Nominet were just interested in monies and that the web redesign of the Nominet website in October 2012 enabled them to bury many old links.

Now I'm not so sure?

 

[Nigel]

Thanks for that.

Early in this thread, I was sceptical about the posts about how Nominet were just interested in monies and that the web redesign of the Nominet website in October 2012 enabled them to bury many old links.

Now I'm not so sure?

Nothing surprises me about the way they operate any more. Is the owner of i.co.uk a member on here? Perhaps he could publish the full release if he still has a copy.