Nominet announces new policy consultation for expiring .UK domains

[Murray]

The real difficulty remains, how do you ever prove collusion.

You don't need to

If it walks like a duck and all that

This is how I see

Nom1: We think this person is cheating
Nom2: yes it looks as though they are but we can't prove it so it would be unfair to punish them
Nom:1: yes you're right, punishing them without proof would be unfair,so we will just have to punish them anyway and everyone else
Nom2: what?
Nom1: yes because it would be unfair to punish someone without proof we will have to 100% punish them and everyone else and move to an auction model
Nom2: An auction model ££££££


Maybe I'm being naive with the legal side but surely no one has a given right to be a Nominet member and can be removed at Noms discretion?

 

[Siusaidh]

I honestly get what you're saying. I'm just 99.9999% certain that Nominet won't touch that approach. Just being honest about the realpolitik.

At this point, I think the only option people here have, if they don't want to lose drop-catching in the UK, is to work together on possible amendments of Nominet's non-auction proposal, OR if the system as it works is to be salvaged, then somehow people need to propose new rules, new structures, which can be enforced - and I don't have suggestions because I don't have drop-catching expertise - but what I do know is that the consultation ends in 27 days.

 

[Ben Thomas]

Yes, exactly. When they break the policies, the can be removed. But I wonder just how many members are removed. They prefer the money.

Also, no threatening language was used. I wasn’t threatening him, Susannah, I was merely letting him know that if he wants to threaten me, I have no problem talking it out on his doorstep.

 

[Siusaidh]

I know that, Ben. But I'm fed up with his provocations and insults against the integrity of people on this forum, and I'm fed up with the fact that this is a pivotal moment in Nominet history and domaining in the UK, and it's a classic mistake if people turn inwards and put each other to the sword, when what's needed is collaboration. Also, some people feel threatened even with the suggestion that a guy on the internet says he will turn up on your doorstep. I know I would. Can we move on please?

PS: hope you got my PM last night and really curious about how things are going.

 

[Ben Thomas]

Roger that.

I got your PM, Susannah Sorry I didn't reply sooner, as you can imagine it's manic at the moment poo flying everywhere, etc.

 

[ukdomains]

Its going to benefit 1 or 2 entities this new approach not the public either way.

People with deep pockets and nominet .

The way things are going in any industry (Digital-led) you either are a big player or medium player. No room for the small timers prime example was RoR FYI 90k entry...

This will be pivot for many of the key plays (Deny has already pivoted he has a marketplace .. )

 

[Siusaidh]

I thought the ROR tiered arrangements were the wrong way to go, and yes, in tech generally the big players have huge influence - they almost make up their own rules as they go along.

 

[davedevelopment]

A lot of people are saying "fix it" but nobody is saying how thats going to be viable.

How can you stop me signing up for accounts/tags/lottery draws/whatever in other peoples names? I can pay them to do it, they can do it from their own homes, devices, ip, bank cards. If you can't come up with a solution to stop me doing that then we need a new solution.

Sure, I understand it's not easy, but I don't think any of this is. I haven't seen any proposals from nominet on how they might enforce their AUP, nor have I seen any discussions on how they might. Has there been anything?

 

[Siusaidh]

Roger that.

I got your PM, Susannah Sorry I didn't reply sooner, as you can imagine it's manic at the moment poo flying everywhere, etc.

Poo is something I'm expert at, as a nurse, and to be honest baby poo is inoffensive - it's more like mustard and hardly smells at all. On the other hand, babies and sleep...

Anyway, congratulations, and all of you stay well.

 

[Murray]

Poo is something I'm expert at, as a nurse, and to be honest baby poo is inoffensive - it's more like mustard and hardly smells at all. On the other hand, babies and sleep...

Anyway, congratulations, and all of you stay well.

Strongly disagree

When my niece was a baby I used to see my sister sniff her nappy like it was nothing and go "oh yes she needs to be changed"

I was holding her one day and thought hmm there is a smell and without thinking about it I sniffed the nappy

That was a huge mistake lol

 

[Derek]

https://domainlore.uk/CarSpring.co.uk £7200 that drop sold for.

I'm not saying this catcher cheated, I don't know who caught it.

But £7200 pays for a lot of snide accounts and a decent cheating budget if you can break the rules and grab yourself some domains like this. Which is why you'll never be able to stop cheating.

 

[Murray]

@mcrick what time frame would Nominet be looking to implement any changes? a month, 3, 6, 2021?

 

[mcrick]

@mcrick what time frame would Nominet be looking to implement any changes? a month, 3, 6, 2021?

This consultation is a month. I speculate that it takes another month to sift through and conclude with an outcome but this depends how much else is going on. Perhaps that gets presented sometime in September. The economically controlled access option is easier for Nominet to implement because it’s based on their own systems. I suspect they’ve already trialled the technical feasibility of doing it. An auction would probably be put out to a third party perhaps with an expression of interest period, not necessarily someone involved in the domain name industry ending up operating it. If it was as late as 2021 I’d be really wondering why.

Are you wondering whether to stump up for the annual membership fee next month?

 

[Murray]

Are you wondering whether to stump up for the annual membership fee next month?

Thanks

No I'm interested in the mass .uk drops in the first half of September

 

[Ben Thomas]

Thanks

No I'm interested in the mass .uk drops in the first half of September

Aren’t we all. But if they carry on operating like a backstreet shop in Cheetham Hill, they’ll be getting kicked to the kerb.

 

[Ben Thomas]

I almost want to miss it.

 

[KarlM]

Has everyone given there feedback to nominet? if it will be taken on board is a different story, but i think we all have to make our feelings known:

https://surveys.nominet.org.uk/s/ZHP616/

 

[Lovekraft]

watching the webinar and it's been 95% focused on the auction route compared to economically controlled access to expiring domains. In fact they are almost forgetting to pretend it's not already decided.

 

[ian]

watching the webinar and it's been 95% focused on the auction route compared to economically controlled access to expiring domains. In fact they are almost forgetting to pretend it's not already decided.

Yes, very much came across that way; loads of detail regarding auctions, very little on the rest (Nick got a lot of figures wrong!).

 

[KarlM]

Yea auction model was definitely talked about the most....