A positive regarding, dot.UK

[Bailey]

I've mentioned it a couple of times in various threads - which then seem to die. But how about we take Nominet as possibly operating (and thinking) in a positive - future looking mode.

dot. uk as the place to find UK business - as a global market player..

Just as acorn members seem to be fed-up with Nominet spin. How about we also try not to act like biased self-interest-merchants. It would make a nice change

 

[Edwin]

Or to paraphrase: let's all pretend that the real, known, major problems with .uk (as reported by "real people" not domainers) don't exist?

What's the point of such an exercise in self-delusion?

 

[Stephen]

please expand

I've mentioned it a couple of times in various threads - which then seem to die. But how about we take Nominet as possibly operating (and thinking) in a positive - future looking mode.

dot. uk as the place to find UK business - as a global market player..

Just as acorn members seem to be fed-up with Nominet spin. How about we also try not to act like biased self-interest-merchants. It would make a nice change

Can you please expand on what you mean about a future looking mode and how do you see .uk being promoted; only for UK businesses that operate outside UK?
and how do you see .uk being allocated?

 

[Bailey]

Or to paraphrase: let's all pretend that the real, known, major problems with .uk (as reported by "real people" not domainers) don't exist?

What's the point of such an exercise in self-delusion?

There's a lot of self-delusion going on anyway Edwin - when a champion of a cause (not you) talks about the millions of current uk registrations as if they were all separate entities. (and nobody questions)

That's a worrying cause-celeb

 

[Edwin]

There's a lot of self-delusion going on anyway Edwin - when a champion of a cause (not you) talks about the millions of current uk registrations as if they were all separate entities. (and nobody questions)

That's a worrying cause-celeb

There are over 3,000,000 .co.uk in use by businesses. That's Nominet's figures, not mine. Regardless of the status of the rest of the .co.uk domain registrants, that's 3,000,000 real-life businesses that are going to find themselves potentially disrupted by the advent of .uk even if we pretend (super-duper-extreme case that doesn't reflect reality at all) that the other 7,000,000 belong to one person.

If you want to get as close to the "truth" of the situation as is currently possible, there's a LOT of reading ahead but all the breadcrumbs are there: follow the references in the endnotes to my V1 and V2 consultation responses (59 in V1, 80 in V2, with quite a lot of overlap) - I've documented every statement I've made with verifiable third party sources.

http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/ (the two documents are linked from the right hand column)

 

[Bailey]

Can you please expand on what you mean about a future looking mode and how do you see .uk being promoted; only for UK businesses that operate outside UK?
and how do you see .uk being allocated?

I personally don't want to see dot.UK. (self interest) either. But if you want credibility, try to see as many pluses as you can from your negative point of view.

Far better way to approach. than a stone-wall.

* I've edited out my first comment - It was a personal attack, I apologise Stephen

 

[Bailey]

There are over 3,000,000 .co.uk in use by businesses. That's Nominet's figures, not mine..

That's not bad going Edwin - A UK business website for every 25 residents in the UK.

Talk about picking and choosing figures....to suit...

I actually admire 'Monkey' (our fellow acorn member) for occasionally throwing a 'spanner-in-the-works' of our single minded (domainer) focus

 

[Edwin]

That's not bad going Edwin - A UK business website for every 25 residents in the UK.

Talk about picking and choosing figures....to suit

Absolute nonsense. And for you to even suggest that smacks of extreme laziness, as it tells me you've not even bothered to read my documents, let alone the 130+ references that back them up.

 

[Bailey]

No - I'm just quoting and referencing your points of argument..

even the naïve know what looks silly - even when they keep quite..

Edwin you have my greatest of admiration but it's about time domainers faced-up to drive behind the dot UK space- it's not about robbing anyone (despite domainers perspectives)

Open up to that - and you might be a little more accommodating about a way forward.

Laziness - No, realistic, carry on the personal attacks though, and I will bite-back

 

[Stephen]

if you don't look for problems you cannot solve them

I personally don't want to see dot.UK. (self interest) either. But if you want credibility, try to see as many pluses as you can from your negative point of view.

Far better way to approach. than a stone-wall.

* I've edited out my first comment - It was a personal attack, I apologise Stephen

I don't know what I have done to upset you?

I think .uk, if introduced as .co.uk /.uk pairing can improve the UK namespace, if it is done in a way I have advocated since V1.

I have tried to expose the flaws in Nominet's proposal in V1 & V2 and ask questions about .uk not to be negative but to replace flaws with solutions that eliminate the problems
and to help formulate positive changes with the answers to the questions.
Once issues have been identified I have tried to engage others to help come up with possible ideas.

I have found in business, if you don't look for problems you cannot solve them!

I have spent several thousand pounds on media PR on V2 .uk trying to get people engaged in the consultation process and submit feedback to Nominet
and be aware of all the issues (not just my views).
I have spent many hours on .uk, as I feel Nominet are not doing a good job looking after the UK namespace
with the way they have intended to introduce .uk, it goes much deeper than self-interest.

In V1, I did a separate document to Nominet of 20 positive actions they could take to improve the UK namespace,
I did not even get an email reply.
Nominet did not hold the Uk annual policy forum this year and do not seem interested in anything but their own agenda.

I do not seek creditability but I listen to any advise on how to achieve the objective of improving the UK namespace
and sometimes have been known to even act on that advise.

 

[julian]

I must be the most retarded domain person in the UK

There are over 3,000,000 .co.uk in use by businesses

Ok, so does it matter if there's 10million?

I can't understand:

why can't joebloggs-widgets.co.uk be offered joebloggs-widgets.uk for a fiver.

So if they have it, they just 301 it to existing site carry on or if they choose can develop it later down the line... no harm done either way - or am I missing something?


They could have a period of time to claim it, if not.. well you know..

Nom gets some revenue in - everyone's a winner?

I can't understand how UK business on .co.uk are 'losing out' except £5 renewal fee for a better domain they can do what they want with?

 

[Edwin]

No - I'm just quoting and referencing your points of argument..

even the naïve know what looks silly - even when they keep quite..

Edwin you have my greatest of admiration but it's about time domainers faced-up to drive behind the dot UK space- it's not about robbing anyone (despite domainers perspectives)

Open up to that - and you might be a little more accommodating about a way forward.

Laziness - No, realistic, carry on the personal attacks though, and I will bite-back

What's wrong with a figure of 3,000,000?

After all, there are an estimated 4,800,000 businesses in the UK according to the FSB
http://www.fsb.org.uk/stats

 

[Edwin]

I can't understand how UK business on .co.uk are 'losing out' except £5 renewal fee for a better domain they can do what they want with?

They're losing out because of the potential for confusion, which didn't exist before. Suddenly all their advertising and marketing becomes less potent, because people will start to wonder "am I meant to visit .co.uk or .uk?" It also introduces security risks (more phishing opportunities, greater chance of misdirected emails with consequent hefty fines, etc.)

None of the above is stuff I've "made up". They're known, real consequences documented by organisations with zero to do with domaining.

Even the .nz consultation openly and explicitly acknowledged the "confusion" issue in the wording of its questions. So it's a "known known".

 

[Stephen]

millions?

There's a lot of self-delusion going on anyway Edwin - when a champion of a cause (not you) talks about the millions of current uk registrations as if they were all separate entities. (and nobody questions)

That's a worrying cause-celeb

According to Nominet, currently there are 10,574,652 registered Uk domains.

Which are owned by approximately 4,700,000 different registrants.

10% of the Uk domains are owned by people resident outside the UK.

 

[noonoo1]

I'm looking forward to taking advantage of .uk if it goes ahead.
Its easy for me as i only have a handfull of .co.uk's
I do feel for those of you that have hundreds or even thousands of .co.uk's and the financial burden of acquiring these .uk names and to me ti does look as though you are being stiffed by nominet.

 

[Stephen]

'losing out' ?

.....I can't understand how UK business on .co.uk are 'losing out' except £5 renewal fee for a better domain they can do what they want with?

Under the current proposal .co.uk does not get the option to pay the £5 for the .uk, it is the oldest registration, as you already know.

As it is an opt-in scheme that is being proposed, even if the time limit is extended, the reality is owners of .co.uk will not all understand the significance of .uk,
especially with all this other gTLD's going around and will not register the .uk if they are entitled to under the current proposal.

It is my opinion that number of real businesses currently using .co.uk that will live to regret not getting their equivalent .uk will be significant.

 

[Murray]

I'm looking forward to taking advantage of .uk if it goes ahead.

How will you be taking advantage?.

 

[Retired_Member39]

No - I'm just quoting and referencing your points of argument..

even the naïve know what looks silly - even when they keep quite..

Edwin you have my greatest of admiration but it's about time domainers faced-up to drive behind the dot UK space- it's not about robbing anyone (despite domainers perspectives)

Open up to that - and you might be a little more accommodating about a way forward.

Laziness - No, realistic, carry on the personal attacks though, and I will bite-back

Are you on the old whiskey and coke tonight Bailey?. Members here can still like and have respect for each other while holding different views.

 

[Sam]

Are you on the old whiskey and coke tonight Bailey?. Members here can still like and have respect for each other while holding different views.

Scott you can't really talk you use to always moan with no repect before you left....

 

[Bailey]

Are you on the old whiskey and coke tonight Bailey?. Members here can still like and have respect for each other while holding different views.

I wish - I moving home in about 24 hours. It's just about time we all called a spade-a-spade

One only has to view the recent thread about Deny catching the so-called best of the drops. to highlight the real state of the uk space. (less not mention each of our try to sell threads) The Uk space is stagnate because of domainers

yep, we could equally complain about the top-level domains, but at least market forces from all it's angles is at work there.

Plus I've been called lazy even few other words - just because i'm not prepared to buy-in to the argument that 3,000 + published words equals credibility