Anyone with a bit of spare DAC quota and willing to fiddle with a spreadsheet?

Edwin · Jun 18, 2013

I'm looking for somebody who's got some spare DAC quota (about 10,000 lookups should do it) and who's comfortable mucking around with Excel. It has to do with Nominet's V2 of the direct.uk proposal - there's something I'd like to test... I'm always happier with "real data" rather than speculating in the abstract.

Please post in this thread if you're able to help, then perhaps also PM me to let me know. Thanks!

Edwin · Jun 18, 2013

A kind volunteer has stepped forward. Watch this space.

grantw · Jun 18, 2013

Edwin said:
I'm looking for somebody who's got some spare DAC quota (about 10,000 lookups should do it) and who's comfortable mucking around with Excel. It has to do with Nominet's V2 of the direct.uk proposal - there's something I'd like to test... I'm always happier with "real data" rather than speculating in the abstract.

Please post in this thread if you're able to help, then perhaps also PM me to let me know. Thanks!

I'm just writing some code to run through my domains that will output a comma seperated file, in relation to the proposal. It may be close to what you're after. Drop me a pm if you like Edwin.

Grant

grantw · Jun 18, 2013

Ah, too late

Grant

Edwin · Jun 18, 2013

invincible said:
Is this an experiment in finding out approximately how many {ltd|me|org|plc}.uk domain names predate the current "Registered on" date of the corresponding .co.uk domain name?

Yes, kind of, with a genuinely "fair" sample of data. I will explain more later.

Skinner · Jun 18, 2013

I think a better idea for this would be find a list of big companies who acquired names like domain.co.uk and run their names see how long it takes for the teeth to show.

I mean domainit.com are set to take domain.uk leaving sedo to swivel as it were.

PaulGregory · Jun 19, 2013

A count of .org.uk domains that predate .co.uk is likely to be higher than a count of .org.uk owners that would trump .co.uk owners - .org.uk owners may have defensively registered the matching .co.uk and will often have done so later on.

Also, particularly in the .org.uk space, people involved with the organisation that owns the .org.uk may have personally registered the .co.uk to redirect through because they were tired of getting it wrong. There's no guarantee that the same "owner" has matching contact details on all the domains they control, so it's difficult to match them up.

It would be very interesting to take the same 10,000 domains and see which ones redirect to another domain, and what extension that domain uses. (Of course, if the list of domains is itself based on a list of websites, for example by searching Google for site:.uk then that will affect things).

Blossom · Jun 19, 2013

invincible said:
Go find the direct.uk video with Elenor Bradley talking to a mystery interviewer (who is never shown) rather than directly into the camera and I am sure it promoted direct.uk for business. That's what .co.uk has always been. So either .co.uk gets first refusal OR .co.uk gets the right to say "no" to the .org.uk holder getting it first, thus neither gets it. I don't see that .me.uk or ltd.uk or plc.uk should be brought into it.

Why would a .ltd.uk or .plc.uk have fewer rights than a .org.uk owner when surely they have legitimate business/commercial use that .org.uks aren't supposed to have?

monaghan · Jun 19, 2013

Blossom said:
Why would a .ltd.uk or .plc.uk have fewer rights than a .org.uk owner when surely they have legitimate business/commercial use that .org.uks aren't supposed to have?

They have just not thought this through, that's why!

It's not just ltd & plc, there are also other UK SLD's, are not schools (.sch.uk) not entitled to a .uk, anyone involved with a school these days knows that they are run just as any other business and deriving income from non-teaching services, independent schools are businesses. There's .ac.uk - again universities and further education establishments are businesses, users of .nhs.uk, .gov.uk and so on all function in the free market so are commercial and deserve a crack at their .uk, however when there is only 1 domain, there will always be losers.

As I see it the .me.uk (and a few obscure .uk SLD's) owners have least claim to a .uk, but virtually all the others (including .org.uk) can legitimately have a commercial site on their domain

Blossom · Jun 19, 2013

monaghan said:
There's .ac.uk - again universities and further education establishments are businesses

That's a good point actually - I bet there will be some universities with very deep pockets looking to buy geo .uks on the secondary market. I can see Nottingham being very keen on that for a start.

Retired_Member38 · Jun 19, 2013

It seems a bit ridiculous that .me.uk can get access, yet ac.uk and sch.uk are excluded. As lets face it... me.uk is a total bottom feeder extension. I bet nobody can list 5 legitimate businesses or genuinely useful sites on this extension.