Deleting domains

[FC Domains]

From Nominet:

We will take the following action from 8 August 2006:

1. Any deletion of domains that we believe is not for the purpose of
correcting mistakes, will be dealt with under our contract with tag
holders. The sanctions may include reduced credit limits, suspension of
tags or the cancellation of tags.

2. To help us identify potential abuse we will introduce a limit on the
number of domain names that can be deleted. The limit will be 5 domain
names or 5% of domain names that have yet to be invoiced (whichever is
higher). Once this limit is reached all delete requests will be rejected
and the domain names will be invoiced. Our analysis of the statistics for
registration and deletion show that this new limit will not effect any tag
holders who delete domain names registered in error.

To be clear, the limit on deletions for practices such as domain tasting
is zero. If we detect any uses of the delete operation other than the
correction of registration errors, we will take action against the tag
holder.

 

[FC Domains]

Looks like Nominet acting again without thinking it through.

Fine have a limit if 5 per month, but why not just not refund any that are over the limit.
Why the need for all the other heavy handed stuff?

If you pay for a name, surely it's yours to throw away if you want to.

 

[paul]

if you want time to think about a name now it might be worth not adding name servers until you are sure you're not going to delete it, at least then you can't be accused of domain tasting

 

[Hazel Pegg]

If you pay for a name, surely it's yours to throw away if you want to.

But this isn't about domains that have been paid for. It's about domains that are registered then deleted prior to invoicing. Nominet say:

"Domain tasting is the practice of registering domain names, assessing revenue generation potential and deleting the domain name before invoicing if it generates insufficient revenue."

Hazel

 

[Jay Daley]

Looks like Nominet acting again without thinking it through.

Fine have a limit if 5 per month, but why not just not refund any that are over the limit.
Why the need for all the other heavy handed stuff?

If you pay for a name, surely it's yours to throw away if you want to.

I don't understand what you've written and I'm not sure if you get what this announcement is about. The limit is only on deletion of domains that have not been invoiced and so can currently be registered and then deleted without any money changing hands (except the PPC revenue!).

 

[rob]

Bah... all my robtest1232134354654.co.uk's will start adding up cost wise now

 

[FC Domains]

It says that if you delete more than five domains you will be charged for them.

Fair enough, but why stop me from deleting them on automation and theaten to send in the heavies.

Does this rule apply to domains that have already been invoiced, but can still be deleted in the following month?

 

[Jay Daley]

It says that if you delete more than five domains you will be charged for them.

I think it is fairly clear that it only applies to domains that have not yet been invoiced. Invoiced or paid for domains are not affected.

 

[FC Domains]

It says:
"If we detect any uses of the delete operation other than the
correction of registration errors, we will take action against the tag
holder."

It's the "taking action" bit that I don't like.

The question is, why not just only refund the first 5?
Then just charge people and let them do what they like. I'm guessing that £5 would cover the server load for deleting one domain.

 

[PaulX]

you carnt delete then once they have been paid for.

 

[FC Domains]

you carnt delete then once they have been paid for.

Nominet say:

"If the Delete operation is received after the seventh day of the calendar month following the month in which the domain was registered then an invoice will already have been issued. The registration will be cancelled but the invoice will still stand and payment must still be made."

Why not just apply this rule to any delete operation, with the 5 limit.

 

[retired_member16]

I think this is great news, I just hope that it is enforced.

For dropcatchers its simple, if you dont want the name, dont attempt to catch it.

If you do catch it, I dont care if it doesnt get 1 visitor in 2 years, tough, pay up. :mrgreen:

 

[PaulX]

The nom-anounce message mentions that there has been no limit on the number of deletions that could be made. I was always under the impression, from reading previous information on Nominet's web site, that the specified limit was 10% of registrations made that month. Is it that this limit was never enforced?

It was 20% last time I looked.

 

[rob]

I think this is great news, I just hope that it is enforced.

For dropcatchers its simple, if you dont want the name, dont attempt to catch it.

If you do catch it, I dont care if it doesnt get 1 visitor in 2 years, tough, pay up. :mrgreen:

However this could mean more names now taken out of circulation and the end cost has gone up, where names previously would be deleted they will now be taken for 2 years and the minimum price has gone from a fiver to £40.

 

[retired_member6]

However this could mean more names now taken out of circulation and the end cost has gone up, where names previously would be deleted they will now be taken for 2 years and the minimum price has gone from a fiver to £40.

You can delete as many domains as you like after you've paid for them. 5% is still quite a lot, depends how many you reg.

 

[rob]

You can delete as many domains as you like after you've paid for them. 5% is still quite a lot, depends how many you reg.

Yeah that is surrendering so no real change there.

My point is previously people would have deleted names so they would be free to register so have had them for a fiver, now they are likely to be held for 2 years.

I have deleted names previously, mainly to get rid of tat I have registered, and then spotted a range of people re-registering them anything from 0.1 seconds to a few weeks later. Under the new system these people wouldnt have the name for 2 years, or would have to fork out 40 quid plus a fee for my time

As I read it nom will see their arse if Any deletion of domains that we believe is not for the purpose of correcting mistakes - any list of valid mistakes? I mean if I reg a traffic name expecting to earn millions and it doesnt, thats a mistake surely

 

[retired_member6]

I think the issue is just with unpaid domains before invoice, if you wish to pay then delete I doubt there's a problem is there?

 

[rob]

I think the issue is just with unpaid domains before invoice, if you wish to pay then delete I doubt there's a problem is there?

I know what the issue is My point is that after paying the fiver people will not be surrendering the name.

Previously one of the benefits of deletion was that at least the name would not be taken out of circulation, that benefit has gone.

In theory that domain will not be registered now due to costs, however if the name has to make £2-3 a year to cover costs I cannot see it hitting bulk 'tasters' , just they will have slightly higher costs.

Winners : Nominet - they get more £
Losers : Potential registrants who have less chance to get the name.

 

[Slater]

You can delete as many domains as you like after you've paid for them. 5% is still quite a lot, depends how many you reg.

You can't delete a domain that has already been paid for you will get back a message from the Automaton as below:

V151 Domain name has been paid for

Think this ruling is really going to hammer some catchers who catch what appears to be a large number of rubbish domains on a daily basis.

 

[rob]

You can't delete a domain that has already been paid for you will get back a message from the Automaton as below:

V151 Domain name has been paid for

Yup - thus why I am saying surrendering not deleting, as I cannot see people going through the hassle of surrendering a name that does not perform well, they will just hang on to it.