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  1. Robert Smith United Kingdom

    Robert Smith Active Member

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    If anyone might find this useful then feel free to reach out.

    I can rebuild most sites from archive.org

    This can be from static sites or recreating in wordpress.

    This is a manual process so there is good control and quality along with a tidy up / SEO tweaks but as i am doing it in the evenings/weekends then its reasonably priced as a 2nd income.
     
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    Alien Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Interesting - what are the legal/copyright/ownership etc issues with rebuilding sites in this manner?
     
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    Without permission of the original content owners, you shouldn't do it basically.
     
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    As I thought - surely it leaves one open to potential claims?

    A few years ago I sold a site, it dropped a while back, someone has caught the name and rebuilt it from a copy (albeit an older design). Unethical to say the least.

    PS - no offence to the OP intended - just thinking out loud. :)
     
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  6. JMI

    JMI Active Member Acorn Supporter

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    I'm sure that no sleep will be lost over rebuilding a few dead sites for the backlink profile.. probably a few more pressing things going on in peoples lives at the moment don't we think.. ethics + seo.. funny concept
     
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    Depends entirely on whose toes you step on by copying their work. Doing so could come back to haunt you in months, years even.

    You also leave yourself wide open to claims of passing off.

    Plus there are plenty of ethical SEO people out there.
     
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    You would be crossing over from ethics into stealing someones work in this scenario though. Likely breaking some laws along the way.

    Wouldn't steal a mars bars from Tesco and says it's ok because there's more important things going on and Tesco will have no sleep lost from the loss of a chocolate bar.

    If they actually care is another matter but we can never condone stealing, even if that's written content or images.
     
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    Yes, I agree - theft, is theft, whether virtually or physically.
     
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    I'm surprised so many are willing to sell SEO names to these people who rebuild them on Domainlore, with it being unethical an all. Seems to me like it's ok to sell them for rebuilding, just so long as the buyer doesn't rebuild them. :D
     
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    JMI Active Member Acorn Supporter

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    I agree 100% it's "unethical", but the reality is for the paragons of virtue here; it's pretty clear that after 25 years of people rebuilding dead sites right now it's as important as a fart in a thunderstorm and I can't see that changing in the short to medium term (by then they've been juiced anyway) and being enforced on any scale look how hard it is with whois disclosure options etc. I wish @Robert Smith good luck and hope he gets some sales from people wanting to grow their link schemes.. at least their doing something..
     
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    Incorrect - when a LTD company goes into liquidation/administration/banckruptcy & or is shut down. All assets are sold. What is left goes in the bin. Same for digital.

    If it is ok to buy the domain name helptobuy.org.uk or carspring.co.uk - or any other site - even if the owner accidentally drops the domain? But not ok to recreate content when someone else doesnt want it.

    As always on here - big uniformed opinions.

    It doesnt have to be for a link scheme - its a reasonable skill to rebuild out of wayback machine - and useful.
     
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  13. Trauiner United Kingdom

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    There's quite a few flaws with what you're saying.

    Buying a domain that has dropped, is exactly that; buying a domain. You've bought the 'rights' to use the domain. Taking someones work without permission, because you decide they don't want it, and placing it on your new website and taking 'ownership' of it, is stealing content. Doesn't really matter if you're doing it for good or bad purposes.

    It's not really an uninformed opinion. You don't know who has the copyright of the content your taking without investigating it. Just because content is on a website, doesn't mean the website owns it.

    Although, as you do this sort of work, it's most probably a pointless conversation. You can't really turn around and say what you doing is stealing, as it wouldn't look good. (If you don't get permission first.)
     
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    Side swerved the company ownership / liquidation aspect.

    Side swerved domains being sold.

    Copyright belongs to whoever paid/commissioned the work.

    There are also many legitimate reasons for rebuilding - which was my original post - but somehow this has been contorted into something that it isn't.
     
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    Copyright doesn't expire if a firm goes bankrupt. Nobody other than the original creator has a right to the content. It is theft if anyone else turns around and just takes it. The fact that this theft almost certainly won't be challenged doesn't make it any more reasonable, or any more right. Nobody should defend the practice.

    (Rebuilding the site on behalf of its original owners is a completely different matter, and a legitimate albeit niche business.)
     
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    Theft is defined by section 1 of the 1968 Act as dishonestly appropriating property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it.

    It's copyright infringement not theft, stop overreacting.
     
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    I hate people justifying the unjustifiable. There really, really shouldn't be anything to argue about here!
     
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    I hate people randomly making up laws, it isn't theft.

    This isn't even true, if a firm goes bankrupt then the copyright will no longer be owned by the original creator. It will transfer to the creditors if they seek it, or if it is a Ltd company, it will transfer into Bona Vacantia Division of the Crown.
     
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    Did the content owners give permission for archive.org to copy their work, or even know such an organisation exists?

    Yes, technically you may be using someone else's work but by allowing the domain to drop and allowing the content to be hosted by a third party the owner has been somewhat negligent?

    That said, how many people rebuild a site from the dog's breakfast of archive.org and go on for that site to get any meaningful traffic?

    Anyone using dropped domains for such a methodology is not going to get very far.
     
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    This is a staple for may top SEO companies - put the legal stuff to one side - a lot of top agencies use it as part of their strategies along with recreating sites, paying for links, 301 redirect.

    Speak to anyone in the industry and they will tell you they do it because it works.
     
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    You show me a 100% clean site, and I'll show you a site that doesn't rank..
     
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