Any real sales of .uk?

[invincible]

This thread has got pathetic. Shame, it was quite interesting to start with.

- Rob

Can you turn it around?


(from iPhone)

 

[Rob_F]

Can you turn it around?


(from iPhone)

Probably not. Perhaps you should request I'm banned.

- Rob

 

[invincible]

Probably not. Perhaps you should request I'm banned.



- Rob

You're making it worse, not better. Try scrolling back up to before SF started posting his usually garbage and see if you can pick up with something useful in response. Failing that, if you have nothing else to add, shut your cake hole!


(from iPhone)

 

[Rob_F]

You're making it worse, not better. Try scrolling back up to before SF started posting his usually garbage and see if you can pick up with something useful in response. Failing that, if you have nothing else to add, shut your cake hole!


(from iPhone)

I'll leave you to it. Enjoy!

- Rob

 

[Murray]

So has the average domainer here been affected in a negative way with the extra outgoings?.

Oh Scott it's you, you're back how many times has it been now you quit and returned

 

[invincible]

Oh Scott it's you, you're back how many times has it been now you quit and returned

You took your time to notice.


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[Murray]

You took your time to notice.

He actually private messaged me last night

why u not *removed for privacy*?. sis he not help u on the domain ladder??...

I just assumed it was a crazy foreign person!

 

[Mgx]

He actually private messaged me last night



I just assumed it was a crazy foreign person!

My grammar was good this morning I see. Would be good to stay on topic, not seen to many post .uk threads. If you are someone registering or catching 20/30 domains per week. That's quite an added expense if you always take the .uk as well.

As others have mentioned I do think you can get some of that back from sales eg

randomdomain.co.uk £349
randomdomain.co.uk + uk £379

I guess it's about adapting or like I have been looking into recently, finding other ways of making income online to compliment domain sales.

 

[websaway]

Quoting the whole post for the sake of argument. The problem with that model is that you're not going to get the £XXX price today because you're not selling the .uk with it... It doesn't matter how much you value your .co.uk at if nobody is willing to buy it because the .uk isn't included.

I wish people would be out of the mindset that 2 domains = twice the price, it doesn't work like that. The pair is sold/valued for roughly the same price as the .co.uk was before and without the pair the singles are devalued significantly.

You're right, it's not rocket science.

The reason I don't entirely agree with you is that in my experience most end users are not currently interested in the .uk


However a lot does depend on the quality of the name the skill of the seller the desire of the buyer and the original price expectation.

 

[martin-s]

My reasoning is just on the basis that .uk it is shorter and more convenient than .co.uk, and therefore over time I predict it will be adopted.

Betamax.

 

[Retired_Member38]

However a lot does depend on the quality of the name the skill of the seller the desire of the buyer and the original price expectation.

I don't think the skill of the seller is coming into it. In fact I think if you need a skilled seller to convince someone to buy a .uk, then that pretty much tells you its currently a failing extension. You don't need to convince someone today that a .co.uk is a sensible option do you ?

We need a BBC or similar to go .uk and start a snowball reaction of others copying... we're not getting it and the longer we go without it, the more likely its never going to happen.

Who's using .uk's currently ? The only ones I see are pretty much people who're hiding from Google penalties that they racked up on the .co.uk version

 

[martin-s]

We need a BBC or similar to go .uk and start a snowball reaction of others copying...

Won't they just use .bbc ?

 

[Retired_Member42]

The other issue is that if .uk did gain any traction and became the extension of choice, what would happen to .co.uk values? Will it become the lesser, 10% of the sales price extension like .uk is currently? Whichever way it plays out, nobody is getting double the money for their domains.

There is no room for 2 primary extensions in the UK namespace.

 

[Skinner]

I think what lots of people miss is, that its not just double the domain cost, its also doubled your holding stock cost, its doubled your loss on drops, doubled your loss on names which become unsellable (i.e. EMDs or similar). These are just relating to the .uk issue, not allow for increases from the real world which need to be factored in to prices.

On top of this, there are issues where acquisition is a factor. Lets assume the frankly stupid reasoning of "double your sale price". So I decide to sell single.co.uk, I have factored my doubles, and my losses (and for argument real world), and determined I need X. Now I have to factor the potential cost of buying in a suitable name from domlore, sedo, etc to replenish stock. Only now suddenly double.co.uk which was Y price, is now Y*2=Z. Which means I now need to apply X+Z=Massively over inflated and unsellable price.

The seller of double now has the issue, where they are waiting for the end user, who can afford to pay double they envisioned it was worth, and this envisoned price they could have already been holding out for years.

I think it was monkey who pointed out cdplayers.co.uk or something similar dropping, and commented 10 yrs ago that would have stupid money now its worthless.

Its a little more far reaching than "its only £3.50/6.".

 

[Retired_Member38]

Nominet are We can debate it till the cows come home but fact is it's out there and people are registering them and developing them so .uk isn't going anywhere and in 4-1/2 years time no one in their right mind will be leaving their .uk domain for someone else to hoover up, so in terms of numbers .uk will at some point gain relative parity with .co.uk.

Going on pure registration numbers is worthless though, if the vast majority of them are defensive registrations.

The only valid number will be how many of them are actually in play as legitimate websites on their own.

 

[websaway]

I think what lots of people miss is, that its not just double the domain cost, its also doubled your holding stock cost, its doubled your loss on drops, doubled your loss on names which become unsellable (i.e. EMDs or similar). These are just relating to the .uk issue, not allow for increases from the real world which need to be factored in to prices.

On top of this, there are issues where acquisition is a factor. Lets assume the frankly stupid reasoning of "double your sale price". So I decide to sell single.co.uk, I have factored my doubles, and my losses (and for argument real world), and determined I need X. Now I have to factor the potential cost of buying in a suitable name from domlore, sedo, etc to replenish stock. Only now suddenly double.co.uk which was Y price, is now Y*2=Z. Which means I now need to apply X+Z=Massively over inflated and unsellable price.

The seller of double now has the issue, where they are waiting for the end user, who can afford to pay double they envisioned it was worth, and this envisoned price they could have already been holding out for years.

I think it was monkey who pointed out cdplayers.co.uk or something similar dropping, and commented 10 yrs ago that would have stupid money now its worthless.

Its a little more far reaching than "its only £3.50/6.".

Yes the situation is ludicrous, as most said it would be when the introduction was first muted, to quote Edwin "you can't put the toothpaste back into the tube"
I assume though that it is as it is and will develop whichever way we think.
At least it's not as bad as during the year of uncertainty.

 

[websaway]

over 1000 entities have chosen to invest substantial amounts in new gtld's

I notice now that a big sell for some of them is the easy recall of the extension,
yes, not the easy recall of the main body of the domain, but of the extension itself.

Hang on, I know it was one of these 1000 listed but I can't remember for the life of me which one of these extensions is after the dot.


Another sales point is that there is a nice balance either side of the dot.
So if you have a long domain name make sure you choose a nice long extension.

 

[Retired_Member38]

Won't they just use .bbc ?

Because news.bbc isn't instantly obvious that its even a web address, where bbc.co.uk is.

 

[martin-s]

Did they not spend £100k+ on applying for .bbc?

 

[invincible]

Because news.bbc isn't instantly obvious that its even a web address, where bbc.co.uk is.

The BBC haven't yet gained their own extension but the application with ICANN is ongoing. No decision to use bbc.uk is likely to be made until this process is completed.

Monkey, you're correct about "news.bbc" not obviously being a URL. However I believe that "bbc/news" would also resolve, or if it currently wouldn't we'll soon see browsers update to accept URL's without a fullstop/period/dot. If/when browsers do accept URLs without fullstops/periods/dots, I believe it'll be much more likely that we'll see addresses in the format of gTLD/something than something.gtld.


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