Discussion in '.UK Domain Name Consultations' started by Stephen, Nov 17, 2014.
Can you turn it around?
Probably not. Perhaps you should request I'm banned.
You're making it worse, not better. Try scrolling back up to before SF started posting his usually garbage and see if you can pick up with something useful in response. Failing that, if you have nothing else to add, shut your cake hole!
I'll leave you to it. Enjoy!
Oh Scott it's you, you're back how many times has it been now you quit and returned
You took your time to notice.
He actually private messaged me last night
I just assumed it was a crazy foreign person!
My grammar was good this morning I see. Would be good to stay on topic, not seen to many post .uk threads. If you are someone registering or catching 20/30 domains per week. That's quite an added expense if you always take the .uk as well.
As others have mentioned I do think you can get some of that back from sales eg
randomdomain.co.uk + uk £379
I guess it's about adapting or like I have been looking into recently, finding other ways of making income online to compliment domain sales.
The reason I don't entirely agree with you is that in my experience most end users are not currently interested in the .uk
However a lot does depend on the quality of the name the skill of the seller the desire of the buyer and the original price expectation.
I don't think the skill of the seller is coming into it. In fact I think if you need a skilled seller to convince someone to buy a .uk, then that pretty much tells you its currently a failing extension. You don't need to convince someone today that a .co.uk is a sensible option do you ?
We need a BBC or similar to go .uk and start a snowball reaction of others copying... we're not getting it and the longer we go without it, the more likely its never going to happen.
Who's using .uk's currently ? The only ones I see are pretty much people who're hiding from Google penalties that they racked up on the .co.uk version
Won't they just use .bbc ?
The other issue is that if .uk did gain any traction and became the extension of choice, what would happen to .co.uk values? Will it become the lesser, 10% of the sales price extension like .uk is currently? Whichever way it plays out, nobody is getting double the money for their domains.
There is no room for 2 primary extensions in the UK namespace.
I think what lots of people miss is, that its not just double the domain cost, its also doubled your holding stock cost, its doubled your loss on drops, doubled your loss on names which become unsellable (i.e. EMDs or similar). These are just relating to the .uk issue, not allow for increases from the real world which need to be factored in to prices.
On top of this, there are issues where acquisition is a factor. Lets assume the frankly stupid reasoning of "double your sale price". So I decide to sell single.co.uk, I have factored my doubles, and my losses (and for argument real world), and determined I need X. Now I have to factor the potential cost of buying in a suitable name from domlore, sedo, etc to replenish stock. Only now suddenly double.co.uk which was Y price, is now Y*2=Z. Which means I now need to apply X+Z=Massively over inflated and unsellable price.
The seller of double now has the issue, where they are waiting for the end user, who can afford to pay double they envisioned it was worth, and this envisoned price they could have already been holding out for years.
I think it was monkey who pointed out cdplayers.co.uk or something similar dropping, and commented 10 yrs ago that would have stupid money now its worthless.
Its a little more far reaching than "its only £3.50/6.".
Going on pure registration numbers is worthless though, if the vast majority of them are defensive registrations.
The only valid number will be how many of them are actually in play as legitimate websites on their own.
Yes the situation is ludicrous, as most said it would be when the introduction was first muted, to quote Edwin "you can't put the toothpaste back into the tube"
I assume though that it is as it is and will develop whichever way we think.
At least it's not as bad as during the year of uncertainty.
over 1000 entities have chosen to invest substantial amounts in new gtld's
I notice now that a big sell for some of them is the easy recall of the extension,
yes, not the easy recall of the main body of the domain, but of the extension itself.
Hang on, I know it was one of these 1000 listed but I can't remember for the life of me which one of these extensions is after the dot.
Another sales point is that there is a nice balance either side of the dot.
So if you have a long domain name make sure you choose a nice long extension.
Because news.bbc isn't instantly obvious that its even a web address, where bbc.co.uk is.
Did they not spend £100k+ on applying for .bbc?
The BBC haven't yet gained their own extension but the application with ICANN is ongoing. No decision to use bbc.uk is likely to be made until this process is completed.
Monkey, you're correct about "news.bbc" not obviously being a URL. However I believe that "bbc/news" would also resolve, or if it currently wouldn't we'll soon see browsers update to accept URL's without a fullstop/period/dot. If/when browsers do accept URLs without fullstops/periods/dots, I believe it'll be much more likely that we'll see addresses in the format of gTLD/something than something.gtld.
(from iPad - K)
Separate names with a comma.