2 Police Officers Killed - Greater Manchester

[Alien]

Just awful, two police officers killed in Greater Manchester shooting.

Really terrible, thoughts go out to the families and their loved ones.

Two unarmed female police officers have been killed in a gun and grenade attack in Greater Manchester, which led to the arrest of a wanted man.

PC Nicola Hughes, 23, and PC Fiona Bone, 32, had been investigating a burglary in Mottram, Tameside.

Dale Cregan, 29, has been arrested in connection with the officers' deaths and two previous murders.

Greater Manchester Police Chief Constable Sir Peter Fahy said it was one of the force's "darkest days".

Read More: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19635239

 

[BREWSTERS]

And then he hands himself in at a station - stupid waste of life.

 

[tifosi]

And then he hands himself in at a station - stupid waste of life.

Shame, they could have hunted him down like the rabid dog that he is.

 

[Alien]

There is, I feel, definitely a case to have the death sentence brought back for murderers like this...

 

[Aegean]

I don't agree with the death sentence, although I understand the sentiment, but in my opinion guys like that should be given one bullet and a gun, then dropped off in Afghanistan wearing a stars and stripes t-shirt. If he makes it out alive, then he goes on trial.

Lock him up for the rest of his natural life, simple as that.

 

[philiporchard]

terrible news.

Surprised he hadn't been caught before this - especially with £50k reward on him.

 

[seemly]

I don't agree with the death sentence, although I understand the sentiment, but in my opinion guys like that should be given one bullet and a gun, then dropped off in Afghanistan wearing a stars and stripes t-shirt. If he makes it out alive, then he goes on trial.

Lock him up for the rest of his natural life, simple as that.

As a tax payer, I don't agree with the current prison system we have as a "punishment". All prisoners get treated better than the people who fought for this country in the great wars! In fact, these prisoners are seemingly living a better life with more life comforts than I have - and I work full time!!

I don't agree with having the tax I pay into the system going on scum like this. Kill the fuckers.

 

[Retired_member41]

As a tax payer, I don't agree with the current prison system we have as a "punishment". All prisoners get treated better than the people who fought for this country in the great wars! In fact, these prisoners are seemingly living a better life with more life comforts than I have - and I work full time!!

I don't agree with having the tax I pay into the system going on scum like this. Kill the fuckers.

Your current tax contributions pay for very little provision for prisons and prisoners and that means the over worked prison officers, who are subject to pressures and stress no one really can imagine from the scum they have to watch over, may be a little more easy to handle with comforts they don't deserve.

im sure with such strong views you will have spoken to your mp several times about this, and wrote lots of letters to governors, what did they say the reasons were?

 

[seemly]

Your current tax contributions pay for very little provision for prisons and prisoners

Correct. My tax will add up to a minute amount in total. But what about anyone/everyone else that has the same/similar views to me? Still a very small contribution? Doubtful.

and that means the over worked prison officers, who are subject to pressures and stress no one really can imagine from the scum they have to watch over, may be a little more easy to handle with comforts they don't deserve.

And that is the justifiable reason why these prisoners get all the luxuries that families that are on minimum wage, have 2.4 children and are law abiding, tax paying citizens cannot even afford? Brilliant argument.

Im sure with such strong views you will have spoken to your mp several times about this, and wrote lots of letters to governors, what did they say the reasons were?

Nope. Why should I have to send a letter expressing - what is in all fairness - general common sense that MP's should have in the first instance when they started being soft, by giving these prisoners back their "human rights"? What about the victims and victims families that have had their human rights violated by being raped, assaulted, abused, murdered, burgled, etc?

Are you one of these people that think an offender will turn their life around because they have been imprisoned, fed more than reasonable food (on tax payers money) been placed on some educational course (on tax payers money), maybe seen some kind of therapist to talk about their problems (on tax payers money), play on their pool tables, playstations or other activity (on tax payers money) and they wouldn't want to go back there?

It's heaven for them.
At what point do these criminals actually "learn their lesson".

They never have to do a days work in their life, they are clean, dry, warm, fed, have entertainment, activities and fitness. All this without ever having to earn it. Just ruin a life or a family and you are set up in comfort for life.

 

[Retired_member41]

I personally think that anyone who kills someone or significantly changes someones life through their actions, then they should serve a minimum of the expected life their victim would have lived, even in the case of serious attack or abuse where the victim still lives.

I'm embarrassed that we live in a society where we let dangers to society out after a couple if years when they have devastated peoples lives forever.

I know it costs a fortune but I would rather live in a society that looked after its most vulnerable and communities than as we do today.

 

[Retired_member41]

Seemly you call me a mug an you haven't even read what I have written.

You posting your rantings on a web site do nothing for anyone. You see i do write letters and put pressure on people to question things I don't agree with. But being in the minority nothing gets done.

Next time you see something in the news you want to ramble about you can feel better in the knowledge that you do your bit by posting on acorn.

 

[seemly]

Seemly you call me a mug an you haven't even read what I have written.

Fair enough. Comment removed.
I have read what you have written - I don't agree with it in it's entirety.

Next time you see something in the news you want to ramble about you can feel better in the knowledge that you do your bit by posting on acorn.

You = Child.

I personally think that anyone who kills someone or significantly changes someones life through their actions, then they should serve a minimum of the expected life their victim would have lived, even in the case of serious attack or abuse where the victim still lives.

Even if the offender shows no remorse or regret? What's the point?
They won't learn a "lesson".

Just dispose of them in a humane way, like we do with pets and animals, etc.

I'm embarrassed that we live in a society where we let dangers to society out after a couple if years when they have devastated peoples lives forever.

Agreed. Even more reason to dispose of those that show no true remorse or regret in the first instance, but for those on slightly less serious offenses, if they are given a second chance and they re-offend - dispose of them.
It's only humane after all (think of the pets and animals we humanely put down - if it makes you feel better).

I know it costs a fortune but I would rather live in a society that looked after its most vulnerable and communities than as we do today.

Exactly. So making cut backs by not letting these offenders and multiple re-offenders take the piss out of the fairness, kindness and chances they are provided with time and time again, dispose of them and spend that money on more important things, like caring for those law abiding, tax paying citizens that have actually paid into society all of their lives.

 

[Blossom]

I think it would be nice to have a compromise and make prisons as self-sufficient as possible - they grow their own food, work for whatever they have etc.

 

[AssetDomains]

As a tax payer, I don't agree with the current prison system we have as a "punishment". All prisoners get treated better than the people who fought for this country in the great wars! In fact, these prisoners are seemingly living a better life with more life comforts than I have - and I work full time!!

I don't agree with having the tax I pay into the system going on scum like this. Kill the fuckers.

It would be great in an ideal world to rid society of this kind of scum permanently but if history taught us anything Innocent people will be killed through incompetence or worse corruption. For this reason I cant fully get behind the death sentence being brought back into law.

Your current tax contributions pay for very little provision for prisons and prisoners and that means the over worked prison officers, who are subject to pressures and stress no one really can imagine from the scum they have to watch over, may be a little more easy to handle with comforts they don't deserve.

Their a fix to the comfort prisoners receive at the moment due to overcrowding etc. Build more prisons bigger modern with enough room to house all the scum who ruin lives.

I wont be surprised if we see in the coming days this guy had a record stretching back years.
Kids now know they can be picked up 10's 100's of times in some instances without ever seeing the inside of a prison.
Short sharp shock at an early stage would get some of these kids on the right track for those it doesn't introduce a 3 strike rule.
Have persistent offenders locked up for life performing hard labor problem solved.

 

[Aegean]

Being able to remove people from society is part of us being a civilized country. If we are going to start hanging people, putting them against a wall and shooting them or strapping them to a chair and gassing them, well in my opinion we have lowered ourselves to the same level as these murderers. Its not medieval times any more.

As Ghandi said, we are either civilised or we are not. In my opinion, justice should be about punishment, not about revenge. In my view its far worse to lock someone up for the next 40 years.

Too many innocent people have been executed because of people demanding revenge. If it were 400 years ago these same people would be shouting "burn the witch".

 

[Alien]

Too many innocent people have been executed because of people demanding revenge. If it were 400 years ago these same people would be shouting "burn the witch".

Let me ask you - how would you feel about this if someone murdered or seriously attacked one of your family? Would you still have the same views?

Perhaps it should be up to the immediate family of the victim(s) to decide on an apt punishment for those who cold-bloodily murder or commit serious crimes?

I don't think it's always about revenge either - why should a murderer be allowed to live when they have taken that right away from another?

 

[Aegean]

Perhaps it should be up to the immediate family of the victim(s) to decide on an apt punishment for those who cold-bloodily murder or commit serious crimes?

Thats how it is in the states, and that is revenge. Luckily in the UK we have an independent justice system and the understandibly biased views of victims families are not part of our justice system.

I don't think it's always about revenge either - why should a murderer be allowed to live when they have taken that right away from another?

Because it is wrong to take human life, thats why.

 

[cc976a]

If the justice system was as fair and forthright as it should be people wouldn't have as far extreme views.

As soon as our civilized nation put the rights of a criminal above the non-rights a victim have people will naturally seek revenge. I understand there isn't a link in the judiciary system - and views, thoughts, fears and grief will never be taken in to account (which is why so many feel the right of the criminal is above the victims). There is 'protection' for criminals but not victims - this is wrong.

In Texas criminals are given 'hard time' or was until a few years ago. Going out and smashing bricks, daily, as a sentence.

Being taken out of society is the first step our laxed justice is failing on time and time again - but then there needs to be justice for crime and satisfaction for the victim. This is how a judiciary system should work.

 

[DaveLeeds]

As a tax payer, I don't agree with the current prison system we have as a "punishment". All prisoners get treated better than the people who fought for this country in the great wars! In fact, these prisoners are seemingly living a better life with more life comforts than I have - and I work full time!!

I don't agree with having the tax I pay into the system going on scum like this. Kill the fuckers.

My opinion might not be required on this topic. But honestly, I agree with you 100%. One Hundred F**king percent!

 

[eddieb]

Bring back the death sentence?
Not that straightforward, we need some minimum requirements first.
1) Those enforcing the law are 100% free of bias and corruption (remember Hillsborough, Birmingham 6, etc)
2) Juries that are not influenced by media or social prejudices
3) Witnesses who are 100% certain of what they witnessed and who can be trusted
4) Judges who are experienced and are not influenced by class/race/social stigma
5) Politicians who stop interfering with the judiciary for political gain
6) Criminals don't think 'If I get caught this time its the death penalty for me, may as well try and shoot my way out of this"

As it is highly unlikely that any, let alone all, of the above are ever going to be realised I guess that means the death penalty should never re reintroduced.