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[Siusaidh]

they are now outside the hospital in their thousands clapping themselves every Thursday night.

I work for the NHS as a nurse. Staff are not 'clapping themselves'. We are thanking the public for their solidarity.

 

[LCHappy]

But if you guys weren't outside clapping, what would you be doing inside? Is there a crisis or not? I'm all for you guys taking a break, but the public is under the impression that it is like a warzone in there. It's on that image that most of them are willing to stay inside.

There are now nurses taking to Twitter reporting that they have almost no shifts at the hospital due to low patient numbers.

If it turns out that they feel they are being lied to, just watch how fast public opinion turns. I'm already seeing it start to turn on social media.

 

[websaway]

I work for the NHS as a nurse. Staff are not 'clapping themselves'. We are thanking the public for their solidarity.

And we all genuinely appreciate all the services that combine their attempts to soldier on in the face of adversity. Posters should restrict themselves to the objective of the fight and not the political subject matter which might support their ulterior motives. Focus on the positive, it actually eases the pain, or at least makes it more tolerable.

 

[bonusmedia]

Those who appreciate the NHS can demonstrate it by STAYING AT HOME TO PROTECT IT.

 

[websaway]

Those who appreciate the NHS can demonstrate it by STAYING AT HOME TO PROTECT IT.

I walk for 2 hours every day about 6.5 miles. I see very few people, even though everybody is allowed to do exactly the same thing. This crisis is a wake up call for everyone to understand that occasions do arise where self preservation both mentally and physically is the order of the day. And lets remember, if you look after yourself you are always in a position to help others help themselves.

 

[newguy]

An interesting and balanced take on

I'm not sure a 2 hour walk is what they consider going out for exercise.

Although there is technically no time-limit on exercise, just like there's technically not a limit on how many times you can pop to the shop in a day, you're supposed to minimise it as much as possible. I don't think it's possible to argue that a 2 hour walk is minimising your time out excising.

To me that's a 'technically you're not breaking the rules', but is very much in the 'taking advantage' and pushing the boundaries area.

This is why you're not seeing many people doing it...

I do think it can be a tricky balance. You get barmy examples like crowds of people clapping the NHS on Westminster bridge, where the mental gymnastics around their behavior takes some unravelling. But then in terms of going for a walk there are lots of factors such as location etc. I'm out in the sticks and have taken to walking a largely remote 40 minutes route two or three times a week. I have barely seen a person while doing so, though the other evening a police van drew up beside me to ask me what I was doing. They weren't telling me I couldn't be there, just enquiring, but I did find it ironic that since they pulled up right beside me to ask me this, they were in fact the only non family members in weeks that had not observed social distancing around me . I very much hope neither of them had the virus.

Things are going to get really tricky when restrictions are loosened, because many will get cavalier and complacent as it'll be like a taste of freedom where they put it all to the back of their mind. The numbers are bound to spike again though, you can see it a mile off. The hard truth is that realistically if someone is say mid 70s+ or immunocompromised, it's likely a bad idea to be mixing with others anytime this year. I'm hoping a vaccine or effective treatment stops the virus in its tracks, as that will transform the situation. If that doesn't happen though, we have a tough 2020 ahead of us.

 

[Edwin]

A long read, but an important one:
"Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster" (paywalled, unfortunately, but if you make an account you get 1 free article a week.)

Boris Johnson skipped five Cobra meetings on the virus, calls to order protective gear were ignored and scientists’ warnings fell on deaf ears. Failings in February may have cost thousands of lives

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...n-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh

And here's another very solid analysis (this one's not paywalled):
"How did Britain get its response to coronavirus so wrong?"

By early March it was abundantly clear to many academics and scientists that the approach being adopted by the UK was markedly different from those followed by other countries. From South Korea to Germany, governments had invested heavily in expanding testing capacity from the first weeks of the epidemic.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tain-get-its-response-to-coronavirus-so-wrong

This in the Telegraph is also worth a read:
"Revealed: Why Asia was better prepared to fight the coronavirus than Britain"

While Britain’s plan assumes a new virus will be unstoppable, the Asian plans major on containment in a bid to minimise mortality.

https://t.co/91fdhCT1Jm

That's 3 major pieces of journalism over the last 24 hours, by 3 newspapers with totally different underlying political stances, all concluding that the UK government made a complete dog's dinner of every stage of the response to the pandemic.

No wonder things seem dire - it's because they are dire! But much of that is of the Government's own making. No country will come out of the coronavirus crisis unscathed. But the UK looks set to be one of the worst performers in the world. It didn't have to be that way.

 

[newguy]

I do think we've partially botched our response on multiple fronts which is very unfortunate, but at the same time I'm not yet convinced that countries like Germany and Japan won't eventually end up at the same end-point as us before long. Numbers now appear to be exceeding what they had anticipated, and I think it's a lot harder to get a handle on than they may imagine.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlie...or-coronavirus-on-a-single-ship/#51b74ddd3732 A ship is likely an ideal environment for it to spread, but it just goes to show how contagious it is. 83% of those tested have covid-19 from the results so far! On the plus side, it will be useful to analyse the impact on their health after the event. Being that they are likely young, fit and healthy hopefully it won't have much of a lasting impact on most of them.

 

[AssetDomains]

What do you naysayers don't get we are not overcrowded seeing Italy like conditions because we did lockdown.
We reduced the amount of people who got the infection that was the whole point.
Alongside we cancelled most elective and outpatient care. we rapidly discharged thousands of patients. we reconfigured critical care in my Trust doubling its capacity employing ventilators from theatres where people usually undergo elective operations hip and knee replacements etc.
Factor in your 60-70% if we hadn't doubled that capacity. The initial configuration would be overwhelmed. If we hadn't locked down R would have continued to grow and we would be seeing death numbers hugely higher than the outrageous ones we have now why do you people not get that.

YOU SHOULDNT BE COMPARING NUMBERS NOW TO BEFORE YOU SHOULD BE COMPAREING NOW TO THE PROJECTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEAD AND A COMPLETLY BROKEN NHS ASK YOURSELF WOULD YOU BE GOOD WITH THAT.

Don't question your government for the fact acted when it became obvious they had to. Question the fact they didn't act fast enough at the start I'll say again if they didn't dither with heard immunity are period of lockdown would have been shorter. If they had followed the WHO advise test trace isolate fully we may not have needed to go into full lockdown. But similar to trump Boris was in denial earlier on he was talking about his better way. Not even bothering to attend the initial cobra meetings etc.

 

[websaway]

I'm not sure a 2 hour walk is what they consider going out for exercise.

Although there is technically no time-limit on exercise, just like there's technically not a limit on how many times you can pop to the shop in a day, you're supposed to minimise it as much as possible. I don't think it's possible to argue that a 2 hour walk is minimising your time out excising.

To me that's a 'technically you're not breaking the rules', but is very much in the 'taking advantage' and pushing the boundaries area.

This is why you're not seeing many people doing it...

Shop only once a week, wear gloves and a mask. I am fairly fit and actually need at least a five mile walk which takes about 1 hour 15 minutes but because I walk from home and it's rural I do the two hours. Never leave the house for anything else except one shop per week which is a I mile drive.

 

[websaway]

A long read, but an important one:
"Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster" (paywalled, unfortunately, but if you make an account you get 1 free article a week.)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...n-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh

And here's another very solid analysis (this one's not paywalled):
"How did Britain get its response to coronavirus so wrong?"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tain-get-its-response-to-coronavirus-so-wrong

This in the Telegraph is also worth a read:
"Revealed: Why Asia was better prepared to fight the coronavirus than Britain"

https://t.co/91fdhCT1Jm

That's 3 major pieces of journalism over the last 24 hours, by 3 newspapers with totally different underlying political stances, all concluding that the UK government made a complete dog's dinner of every stage of the response to the pandemic.

No wonder things seem dire - it's because they are dire! But much of that is of the Government's own making. No country will come out of the coronavirus crisis unscathed. But the UK looks set to be one of the worst performers in the world. It didn't have to be that way.

Well look, in 5 years you can go to the ballot box and vote against this majority government that has massive public support. For now can you keep your political agenda confined to your career activist social media account where you have like minded followers who you don't annoy.

 

[diablo]

A long read, but an important one:
"Coronavirus: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster" (paywalled, unfortunately, but if you make an account you get 1 free article a week.)

Here's Times article without paywall:

https://archive.is/20200418182037/h...n-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh

Particularly damning in many aspects, but also written with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[bonusmedia]

Well look, in 5 years you can go to the ballot box and vote against this majority government that has massive public support. For now can you keep your political agenda confined to your career activist social media account where you have like minded followers who you don't annoy.

You've posted more about politics on this forum than anyone else here, much of it illiterate nonsense, complaints about minorities, jingoism, xenophobia, and parroting of facile lies from the gutter press.

 

[websaway]

Last week, one of my previous employers went out for their daily exercise. Just for a walk around the rural area they live. They slipped, fell and broke their arm.

The lockdown also plays its part in preventing avoidable minor accident and injuries like this using valuable resources.

Just food for thought.

Point taken, I'll be extra careful. On the positive side I am less likely to come out of this overweight with all the health problems associated with that. I can see massive benefits from this period. Road traffic deaths should be lower and pollution will certainly have come down. People need to learn how to cope with adversity, the state can not always be held accountable for our wellbeing, should there ever be a chemical or nuclear attack we will need to be ready to meet the challenges., Maybe this serves as a dry run. Our generation in the UK have had the easiest time in history, no guarantees that it's always going to be so.

 

[BREWSTERS]

I work for the NHS as a nurse. Staff are not 'clapping themselves'. We are thanking the public for their solidarity.

Can you say what capacity your ICU is running at, and how many of those are CV?

Also, what is the test that's done to diagnose CV please?

 

[websaway]

You've posted more about politics on this forum than anyone else here, much of it illiterate nonsense, complaints about minorities, jingoism, xenophobia, and parroting of facile lies from the gutter press.

Bit unfair but hey you are entitled to your opinion. by the way my control freak post was not in the least aimed at you. I suspect you are vexed . No problem hope we can disagree for years to come.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Last week, one of my previous employers went out for their daily exercise. Just for a walk around the rural area they live. They slipped, fell and broke their arm.

The lockdown also plays its part in preventing avoidable minor accident and injuries like this using valuable resources.

Just food for thought.

Should've been at work...their arm would be ok now.

 

[Admin]

Anyone want to offer their opinion of this, quite a useful summation I think: https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/


Swiss Propaganda Research (SPR) is an independent nonprofit research group investigating geopolitical propaganda in Swiss and international media. SPR is run anonymously by independent academics. High quality articles are available in up to 14 languages.

 

[bonusmedia]

Bit unfair but hey you are entitled to your opinion. by the way my control freak post was not in the least aimed at you. I suspect you are vexed . No problem hope we can disagree for years to come.

I know it wasn't. I was pointing out the irony of calling someone else a control freak. Again, you've posted far more about politics than anyone else.

You're right, I am vexed, I want to live in a society where expertise, ability and achievement are valued rather than scorned as "clever people trying to tell us what to do" (N Farage on the WHO).

 

[diablo]

Point taken, I'll be extra careful. On the positive side I am less likely to come out of this overweight with all the health problems associated with that. I can see massive benefits from this period. Road traffic deaths should be lower and pollution will certainly have come down. People need to learn how to cope with adversity, the state can not always be held accountable for our wellbeing, should there ever be a chemical or nuclear attack we will need to be ready to meet the challenges., Maybe this serves as a dry run. Our generation in the UK have had the easiest time in history, no guarantees that it's always going to be so.

One positive that could come out of this covid-19 saga is the opportunity to reset so many areas of society.

Whether the state will want to do that is another matter, but on a personal level, the opportunity to reset areas of your own life is there for the taking.