Dac 1 & dac 2

[Whois-Search]

First of all I am in favour of the recent proposed changes to the DAC including the 'second' DAC:

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Which has been a good idea for sometime now:

Nominet UK - Election of non-executive directors 2007 :: Sebastien Lahtinen :: My Vision for Nominet

However is anyone else concerned about the proposed new interim access levels?

Which gives large registrars or very large domainers more lookups:

Interim access levels

If I thought these extra lookups were going to be used for 'public' services then i'd be in favour of it - large registrars are at a disadvantage to take part in dropcatching afterall.

However the business models of certain large registrars could be said to benefit from this change including those dropcatching thousands of domains to auction off later.

I'm also well aware though that just because you have lots of lookups doesn't necessarily increase your dropcatching chances of high value names - it just gives you more opportunity the check more names.

Finally the PAB actually resolved in September 2007:

The PAB recommends that the Executive develop suitable options to suit the
needs of different segments of the registrar community, but believes that
no registrar should be forced to take a more restrictive option based on
their business model.

http://www.nic.uk/digitalAssets/28809_PAB52minutes_Sept_07.pdf

If your a registrar that doesn't register 21,600 new domains every 12
months but would like to offer a new availability service - how do you get
more lookups?

Cheers,

Andrew Bennett

 

[retired_member6]

They get more looks up? that aint right, when was this voted on by the membership and how do you complain?

If they move them on to dac two with the delay, no worries is there?

Thanks
Lee

 

[foz]

The 2nd DAC has a time delay response of 100ms. Introduction

Is the 2nd DAC unlimited? If so, it would advantageous, as people using the 1st DAC would need to be running at 100ms (over 24 hours) just to keep up?

 

[retired_member6]

Less than 22,000 domains a year would qualify, how many are domcollect - sedo's sister company getting these days? That works out at 60 a day, less even.

 

[foz]

During December '08, over a seven day period; 67.4 per day.

http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/sedo/17897-sedo-nominet-tag-3.html

 

[foz]

I suppose you could register 21,600 domains in one day (that were crap). and spend the rest of the year with unlimited access with a delayed response of 100ms.

The "in" cost would be 21,600 x 5 = £108,000

Would it be worth it?

 

[Skinner]

If th 2nd Dac was unlimited it would end up one it knees. Because the way the Dac works (best i understand) it queues what you send, currently Dac 1 will accept 17 per second meaning about 60ms delay between checks, so to keep up with Dac 2, you'd burn your half million look ups in about 7 hours.

So if you was to queue 40-50 a second the odds of you catching over DAC 1 are significant, as you send once every 60ms takes your program 100ms to respond and register a name, so if someone was to write lean code they could easily beat you.

Anyone here wrote their own script wanna add a bit of code that times the Green Light dac look up, epp / pgp fire off to domain capture ? and give a ball park figure ?

Dac 1 = Drop Catchers Toy

Dac 2 = Glorified Bulk Whois

Thats really what they are.

 

[tifosi]

Dac 1 = Drop Catchers Toy

Dac 2 = Glorified Bulk Whois

Agreed.

In principle it's a sound idea. The removal of the suspended state & other bits from the response for dac1 makes it more like the DAC for the EU domains - and really only suitable as they say for 'time-dependent availability' checking.

Not sure what the policy will be on using both servers. Will there be 2 subscriptions? Creating & updating lists will be much more efficient and I'll be able to go ahead with a planned uk bulk whois site.

A couple of questions regarding limits:
Will they be spanned across both servers?
Will usage of both be allowed?
Will usage of dac1 be kept as is?
Is the flexible limits restricted to the time delay dac?

S

 

[ELIFE-MZ]

Unless I am talking cr*p - the "Registered flag (full details)" in DAC2 probably means you will get other flags such as Y, N. E, R, I, B and not just Y/N.

So DAC2 will be what we have now with 100ms delay.

 

[Skinner]

I assume Full Details means, Name, Address, Etc.

They prob don't know themselves