Dot UK - you've got more to worry about?

[julian]

Lots of people here worried about the .UK consultation, but I all I see is most of them toting portfolios with hundreds (or thousands even) of worthless domains - it would actually be a blessing in disguise for them to drop. In fact some are so bad I cringe at the thought of some poor bastard ever parting with cash for them - how are these people still in business selling domains with all the renewal fees - it must be some sort of parttime hobby and became millionaires long ago.

Me..? wtf do I know you say, fair enough, but i've easily wasted over £10,000+ on crap domains in the last 10 years and would say I only own a handful of good domains now - the rest are just speculation for dev - probably worthless.. but at least I'm not completely deluded in their value.

What I'm saying is .UK could be a good or bad thing, but what ever happens it doesn't change the fact: you can polish a turd all you want, but it's still a turd at the end of the day.

 

[Murray]

I kind of agree with you.. all though I wouldn't have put it so bluntly.

I think maybe this is the scenario for some..

You look at a portofolio of thousands of domains you have spent years building, It's very hard to then face reality and say "My god, what the fudge have I been up to, why have I registered and reregistered this junk and wasted so much time and money".

I think for them it's easier to come up with excuses, not face reality and continue on the path they are on than face the realisation they did it all for nothing.

Sometimes in life you can get so deeply invested in things you prefer to stay in the hole you dug.

 

[jasman]

To my mind it's really a totally separate issue. People ought to be as honest with themselves as they can be in the value of their investments and if they have made mistakes, learn from them. This applies to any type of business. What was contemptable about the .uk proposal was that it would have had a grave impact on all .co.uk and .org.uk domains including portfolios of really good names that people had invested heavily in, in good faith. For a registry turn round and try to pull something like that is scandalous.

It's like a game in a casino which involves skill and some luck. The domain investors are the players and each player's performance is a combination of skill and luck. In the long run the amount of luck each person has should more or less even out and ultimately each player is fully responsible for his own standing, good or bad. But for the casino to change the rules in the middle of a game after bets have been placed is totally unacceptable.

 

[websaway]

Lots of people here worried about the .UK consultation, but I all I see is most of them toting portfolios with hundreds (or thousands even) of worthless domains - it would actually be a blessing in disguise for them to drop. In fact some are so bad I cringe at the thought of some poor bastard ever parting with cash for them - how are these people still in business selling domains with all the renewal fees - it must be some sort of parttime hobby and became millionaires long ago.

Me..? wtf do I know you say, fair enough, but i've easily wasted over £10,000+ on crap domains in the last 10 years and would say I only own a handful of good domains now - the rest are just speculation for dev - probably worthless.. but at least I'm not completely deluded in their value.

What I'm saying is .UK could be a good or bad thing, but what ever happens it doesn't change the fact: you can polish a turd all you want, but it's still a turd at the end of the day.

You sound a bit depressed.
You say you have a handful of names that are good, so depending on your ability to evaluate a name are they worth £10,000, if so, you'll break even.

 

[websaway]

Lots of people here worried about the .UK consultation, but I all I see is most of them toting portfolios with hundreds (or thousands even) of worthless domains - it would actually be a blessing in disguise for them to drop. In fact some are so bad I cringe at the thought of some poor bastard ever parting with cash for them - how are these people still in business selling domains with all the renewal fees - it must be some sort of parttime hobby and became millionaires long ago.

Me..? wtf do I know you say, fair enough, but i've easily wasted over £10,000+ on crap domains in the last 10 years and would say I only own a handful of good domains now - the rest are just speculation for dev - probably worthless.. but at least I'm not completely deluded in their value.

What I'm saying is .UK could be a good or bad thing, but what ever happens it doesn't change the fact: you can polish a turd all you want, but it's still a turd at the end of the day.

I see you were selling divorce.org.uk for £6500 in june 2011
anyone.co.uk at 5k bin recently
and you own overdrafts.co.uk

Just those would give you all your money back.
You should keep your thoughts focused.
You seem to have registered a lot of org.uk which was a latecomers gamble to the domain game but was naive

 

[monaghan]

There are a lot of wider issues than just a junk portfolio, after all, junk is junk whether it is a .com, .co.uk or .uk. Self interest naturally suggests those with big portfolios would be against direct.uk, however, there are many of us with virtually nothing in our portfolio who are against it as it is not a good thing for our customers.

 

[martin-s]

A sensible domain investor would re-evaluate each domain every renewal I'm sure..

 

[DaveLeeds]

I'm learning more everyday about domaining. So much so that I have 66 (crap) domains that I'm dropping in the next month or so with more to go over the next year. I'm sharing this info freely so I don't need slating for it.

 

[julian]

You sound a bit depressed.
You say you have a handful of names that are good, so depending on your ability to evaluate a name are they worth £10,000, if so, you'll break even.

Listen my domain honey-bun - I'm not depressed at all - far from it!

Now, rather than trying to be clever little man by misinterperting my post, and making me out to be upset and jealous because I missed out on combing.co.uk and computerworkstations.co.uk, try to open your eyes to reality.

Now reference your little smug comment.:

Websaway: You seem to have registered a lot of org.uk which was a latecomers gamble to the domain game but was naive


..says Mr PreNom God himself with your trusty collection of handreg, two word generics that are mostly only any good for churn and burn adsense+wordpress templates..* - but not this one I guess?

cashcards.co.uk which for some reason your not renewing amoungst others.

This domain is a good long term investment* - how can you let it drop - you could miss out on the .UK if it comes in...?

Help me understand domaining?

x

 

[WalkinDude]

Domains can be crap, doesn't mean they are utterly worthless. If you have a hundred domains that are junk, they may still be worth a £1 each to someone and it's amazing what you can get in a domain for £100 at the moment. Something that could well be worth developing.

It's up to the buyer of your perceived 'junk' as to why they are buying.

Great blog topic btw. Anyone.co.uk is a great domain for developing. It's harsh economic times and it's a attractive domain for employment services, and all other socio-economic opportunities.

If you had to reg 500 domains to get that just 1 domain you still done better than quite a few people have. It's up to you to turn it into something. Anyone can chuck a price on a domain. The measure of a domaineer top tier is can they make a business out of it.

 

[WalkinDude]

Listen my domain honey-bun - I'm not depressed at all - far from it!

Now, rather than trying to be clever little man by misinterperting my post, and making me out to be upset and jealous because I missed out on combing.co.uk and computerworkstations.co.uk, try to open your eyes to reality.

Now reference your little smug comment.:

Websaway: You seem to have registered a lot of org.uk which was a latecomers gamble to the domain game but was naive


..says Mr PreNom God himself with your trusty collection of handreg, two word generics that are mostly only any good for churn and burn adsense+wordpress templates..* - but not this one I guess?

cashcards.co.uk which for some reason your not renewing amoungst others.

This domain is a good long term investment* - how can you let it drop - you could miss out on the .UK if it comes in...?

Help me understand domaining?

x

You are taking the comments too personally. I've just seconded the fact you got one helluva domain there if not more up your sleeve. Focus on the positives not the negatives pls. If not I'll offer you £50 plus a twix for Anyone.co.uk and I swear you'll never have to hear from me again ;-)

 

[julian]

my boggle is the fact that people endlessly going on about how bad introduction of .UK is when in fact would be better to start again and shelve 99% of their portfolio (me included).

Why are we pretending that this is not the fact in most cases - what are they hanging onto that they deem to have some real value?

You are taking the comments too personally. I've just seconded the fact you got one helluva domain there if not more up your sleeve. Focus on the positives not the negatives pls. If not I'll offer you £50 plus a twix for Anyone.co.uk and I swear you'll never have to hear from me again ;-)

 

[websaway]

Listen my domain honey-bun - I'm not depressed at all - far from it!

Now, rather than trying to be clever little man by misinterperting my post, and making me out to be upset and jealous because I missed out on combing.co.uk and computerworkstations.co.uk, try to open your eyes to reality.

Now reference your little smug comment.:

Websaway: You seem to have registered a lot of org.uk which was a latecomers gamble to the domain game but was naive


..says Mr PreNom God himself with your trusty collection of handreg, two word generics that are mostly only any good for churn and burn adsense+wordpress templates..* - but not this one I guess?

cashcards.co.uk which for some reason your not renewing amoungst others.

This domain is a good long term investment* - how can you let it drop - you could miss out on the .UK if it comes in...?

Help me understand domaining?

x

Sorry if I've upset you, wasn't intended, you just seemed to be whinging and I was trying to justify why you shouldn't.

 

[Alien]

my boggle is the fact that people endlessly going on about how bad introduction of .UK is when in fact would be better to start again and shelve 99% of their portfolio (me included).

Why are we pretending that this is not the fact in most cases - what are they hanging onto that they deem to have some real value?

I think Julian has a fair point.

Quite frankly, no offence intended to anyone either, I don't know how some of you domainers survive, although I salute you for doing so. I couldn't imagine having to rely on selling just domains to make a living and pay the bills - must be very stressful... :-|

I too have noted some domainers with large portfolios here who want laughable amounts for some of the names.

 

[boxfish]

I too have noted some domainers with large portfolios here who want laughable amounts for some of the names.

Me too, usually keep bumping their sales threads repeatedly over and over and over and over and over and over again.

 

[websaway]

I think Julian has a fair point.

Quite frankly, no offence intended to anyone either, I don't know how some of you domainers survive, although I salute you for doing so. I couldn't imagine having to rely on selling just domains to make a living and pay the bills - must be very stressful... :-|

I too have noted some domainers with large portfolios here who want laughable amounts for some of the names.

This of course brings us back to the subjective argument about domain values.
Sedo continues week after week to surprise the doubting with their domain sales,
take today F*ckBook.ca sold for $30,000
How can anyone judge anothers portfolio, they can only judge what they would pay and of course circumstances dictate that.

 

[WalkinDude]

This of course brings us back to the subjective argument about domain values.
Sedo continues week after week to surprise the doubting with their domain sales,
take today F*ckBook.ca sold for $30,000
How can anyone judge anothers portfolio, they can only judge what they would pay and of course circumstances dictate that.

+1

Strange as F'ckbook.ca might seem at 30k, I think a domaineer needs to be able to answer the question:

How will this domain make money for it's owner?