.UK Announced

[Stephen]

Expert opinion

Does anybody have any experts they know of that will be able to
look at the Nominet .uk proposal and give an independent view/opinion on any particular aspect of it?

Looking for security experts, organizations that make up questionnaries, cyber criminals and anything else anybody can think of!

Have put some money aside to pay them from .co.uk renewals I'm not paying out on.

 

[Retired_member41]

Wasn't Eleanor Bradley the lady people were hoping to take the role of Lesley should she go?

Now she's been made COO of Nominet doesn't that mean she is happy with the way Nominet is moving?

 

[GreyWing]

Wasn't Eleanor Bradley the lady people were hoping to take the role of Lesley should she go?

Now she's been made COO of Nominet doesn't that mean she is happy with the way Nominet is moving?

In my opinion and this was predicted to me back in October, she is the face of this when it goes belly up. The "fall guy" so to speak, it was said to me she was always going to be lined up to take the blame and unfortunately looks like she has fallen for it.

Things are going bad for .uk now, so they'll wheel her out to take the blame. Whilst the culprits stay in the background.

She's a decent and honest person, credible and transparent. Would be a big plus in charge of Nominet. Would certainly unite the membership rather than divide it.

 

[Retired_member41]

In my opinion and this was predicted to me back in October, she is the face of this when it goes belly up. The "fall guy" so to speak, it was said to me she was always going to be lined up to take the blame and unfortunately looks like she has fallen for it.

Things are going bad for .uk now, so they'll wheel her out to take the blame. Whilst the culprits stay in the background.

She's a decent and honest person, credible and transparent. Would be a big plus in charge of Nominet. Would certainly unite the membership rather than divide it.

That makes so much sense it's scary. It's a shame there isn't someone like you on the board.

 

[markb]

Just wondering, as I havent kept up to date with this thread recently. If nominet go ahead with this shortly, how will we be informed about the auctions, will we receive an email to bid? or do we have to contact nominet?

 

[Systreg]

If nominet go ahead with this shortly, how will we be informed about the auctions, will we receive an email to bid? or do we have to contact nominet?

@ Mark, in a post several pages back it was mentioned that at one of the recent meetings, that Nominet can't let all registrants know about the consultation by email, they said that was due to spam and data protection laws.

Later the same day, at the same meeting, Nominet were asked how they were going to let registrants know about the auctions, they said, by email

[edit]

It was Steves post here: http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/uk-domain-name-consultations/108491-uk-announced-184.html#post426512

we listend at the meeting and asked why they could not email everyone

data protection and spam we were told / and then we asked later about

how are they going to inform everyone of the auctions etc etc answer =

email , then we asked , what about concerns relating to data protection and spam hmmm the room went quite

it is a real joke

do as i say and not as i do , rings a bell here its called hypocrisy

 

[DomainManagement]

i did say that

Its True that what was said and i will testify in court if needs be

also they got a friendly polling company

to manipulate questions , to give high % of agreement with .uk

it is a shame about making Eleanor the new Coo as like you said she will be run out as the person to blame

i also hear there are one or two newspapers , ready to write about this
Debacle or shame which ever

Weald Domains makes some excellent observations and these are the sort of thing, that they Nominet can not dance around ,

We wish you a happy christmas.co.uk , and .uk less new year

also i was worried about nominet only taking internal legal advice

rather than the much more prudent approach , of investing in a outside opinion
but mind you the outside opinion may not be what they wanted to hear
and lesley can manipulate the internal advice

Nominet registrations since announcing the .uk have fallen

was this in there economic impact study

 

[GreyWing]

That makes so much sense it's scary. It's a shame there isn't someone like you on the board.

To be honest Caz, being on the board ties your hands when highlighting this stuff. The only thing you can do is resign if the board fails to take your warnings seriously and don't listen to you.

Two people did resign whilst highlighting it back in 2008, Nominet now campaigns for the Non Execs it wants.

I have previously emailed Non Execs at Nominet to make them aware of the allegations now on avoid.co.uk There has been no reply and it appears no action.

If you put the fact that Nominet's board promote certain candidates and then once elected those certain people appear to fail to investigate Nominet's board, two and two together!!

 

[Retired_member41]

Not knowing that much about the workings I find these insights incredible to read, seems a whole clear out is required.

I have to admit being amazed when the last election was held and prospective candidates had to read about the type of person required, and were then asked to contact the chair for a chat prior to applying, seemed a bit odd to an outsider and not the sort of election I thought it was.

 

[GreyWing]

Nope worse than that, as I understand the Jay Daley Tribunal, Nominet have looked at which registrars had voted in a certain way and if it wasn't the way they wanted, Nominet asked them to change their minds.

Think I'm joking.... lol

 

[Edwin]

From Nominet's November board meeting, released today:

The Board received an update briefing on the progress of the ongoing direct.uk consultation in which the registry structure could be changed so as to allow registrations at the second level of the .uk domain hierarchy. The Board noted the large number of formal consultation responses received so far, and the very wide range of opinions already submitted in relation to the main features of the proposal. It was clear that a full analysis following the end of the consultation period would take several weeks The Board would then consider that feedback and decide next steps, with agenda time at the meeting scheduled for 26th February being set aside. The Board thanked the Nominet staff dealing with the consultation for their good work to date in bringing the proposal to very wide public notice and debate.

http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/Nov2012communique.pdf

Note:
1. The "wide range of responses" line is the fig-leaf that will allow Nominet to do whatever they like at the conclusion of the consultation process. For example, I witnessed in their face-to-face meetings that they got a "wide range of responses" on their security proposals, from valid criticism from those with security expertise to knee-jerk "it's making us SAFER!" responses from people who very evidently (from their comments) didn't understand ANY of the details of the proposal.

2. The proposal has not been brought to "wide public notice" (it's a laughable suggestion given the millions of registrants that stand to be directly impacted) and Nominet have explicitly said they will not be contacting existing registrants. Most of the attention, if any, is due to ongoing efforts by many of those that stand to be affected to reach out by any and every channel possible in any and every venue to try desperately to bring more attention to the issue.

3. It's reassuring that the board has seen fit to set aside a bit of time at its next meeting to rubber stamp the SINGLE BIGGEST CHANGE ever made to any cctld namespace by any country ever, one which is likely to hobble the UK internet economy to the tune of billions. Because it wouldn't do to actually dedicate a separate meeting to the issue now, would it?

 

[Stephen]

Next Board meeting

From Nominet's November board meeting, released today:


http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/Nov2012communique.pdf

Note:
1. The "wide range of responses" line is the fig-leaf that will allow Nominet to do whatever they like at the conclusion of the consultation process. ....
2. The proposal has not been brought to "wide public notice" (it's a laughable suggestion given the millions of registrants that stand to be directly impacted) and Nominet have explicitly said they will not be contacting existing registrants. .....
3. It's reassuring that the board has seen fit to set aside a bit of time at its next meeting to rubber stamp the SINGLE BIGGEST CHANGE ever made to any cctld namespace by any country ever, one which is likely to hobble the UK internet economy to the tune of billions. Because it wouldn't do to actually dedicate a separate meeting to the issue now, would it?

It is simply incredible that the board can act like this on such an important subject.

It is not even a separate meeting in Febuary and in the list of previous meetings they don't have board meetings in January.

Even at the end of the report they state the 12 month growth figure of 5.17% whereas more importantly the month on month growth is down to 0.32% and that is before the suspended domains don't get renewed.

They did however agree staff bonuses.

Just to show how inclusive they are:

Nominet had participated in the Internet Governance Forum (IGF), running one of the workshops and participating in many others, particularly to emphasise the importance of the multi-stakeholder approach to internet governance.

Still waiting to find how many people attended the Northern Ireland Nominet roundtable meeting, does anybody know?

 

[GreyWing]

Still waiting to find how many people attended the Northern Ireland Nominet roundtable meeting, does anybody know?

1 person said they would attend, so Nominet cancelled and did a conference call with him / her rather than fly 3-4 out there.

 

[websaway]

From Nominet's November board meeting, released today:


http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/Nov2012communique.pdf

Note:
1. The "wide range of responses" line is the fig-leaf that will allow Nominet to do whatever they like at the conclusion of the consultation process. For example, I witnessed in their face-to-face meetings that they got a "wide range of responses" on their security proposals, from valid criticism from those with security expertise to knee-jerk "it's making us SAFER!" responses from people who very evidently (from their comments) didn't understand ANY of the details of the proposal.

2. The proposal has not been brought to "wide public notice" (it's a laughable suggestion given the millions of registrants that stand to be directly impacted) and Nominet have explicitly said they will not be contacting existing registrants. Most of the attention, if any, is due to ongoing efforts by many of those that stand to be affected to reach out by any and every channel possible in any and every venue to try desperately to bring more attention to the issue.

3. It's reassuring that the board has seen fit to set aside a bit of time at its next meeting to rubber stamp the SINGLE BIGGEST CHANGE ever made to any cctld namespace by any country ever, one which is likely to hobble the UK internet economy to the tune of billions. Because it wouldn't do to actually dedicate a separate meeting to the issue now, would it?

Is there any groups working in the undergrowth who will seek to get an injunction should Nominet take the unlikely decision to push this through without due diligence ?

 

[Edwin]

Is there any groups working in the undergrowth who will seek to get an injunction should Nominet take the unlikely decision to push this through without due diligence ?

If they're in stealth legal mode on the issue, they're hardly likely to come forward on a public venue such as Acorn... But that doesn't mean nobody's thinking along those lines

 

[websaway]

If they're in stealth legal mode on the issue, they're hardly likely to come forward on a public venue such as Acorn... But that doesn't mean nobody's thinking along those lines

That will be OK if someone then launches an appeal for a fighting fund, the initial costs should not be too severe.
Assuming that is that Nominet don't throw out the idea of .uk introduction and look towards maybe safe.uk as a solution to their published objectives.

 

[Stephen]

What to do now?

Is there any groups working in the undergrowth who will seek to get an injunction should Nominet take the unlikely decision to push this through without due diligence ?

Although that is always an option, it is easy to say there would be future legal action without showing substance and money behind it, it will not happen in time.
I believe legal action could happen but after it has all gone through, which would be too late.

Those that are committed to get Nominet to consulate with the wider audience and reconsider the whole issue rather than tweak a few bits and state it has listened, need to to act now to get change.

I have started to get quotes from reputable PR companies to bring this matter to a wider debate as Nominet itself appears content that it has done that already.

Also I'm considering a quote from a political lobbyist.

If anybody has any recommendation for PR company (main media) or Political lobbyist please let me know.

 

[Stephen]

Advert? and/or social media?

What about an advert - 1/4 page in a media publication that might get picked up by other media and get to a wide readership?

Or does anybody have good access to social media channels that would be effective?

The message and brand would also need to agreed upon, any thoughts?

 

[GreyWing]

I'm more than will to donate the domain name guard.co.uk to the promotion mate. People need to guard their ip?

Others can run the sites, I'd stay off it so not to confuse the issues of .uk and the Elephant in the room from other sites in our collection.

Would also be happy to contribute to the costs....

 

[Stephen]

guard.co.uk

I'm more than will to donate the domain name guard.co.uk to the promotion mate. People need to guard their ip?

Others can run the sites, I'd stay off it so not to confuse the issues of .uk and the Elephant in the room from other sites in our collection.

Would also be happy to contribute to the costs....

GUARD.co.uk : Great name and so appropriate on many levels.

Suggest for funding;

• funds for external 3rd party costs such as PR, lobbying and/or adverts not for internal costs
• costs not spent until all agreed to contribute have agreed to what to spend it on and signed off major content in principal
• costs split equally over those that join the fighting fund
• each person contributes their own limit on funds they are willing to add (it maybe not all those monies will be spent - it will depend on volume who contribute)
• do not send monies yet

Please pm or post if you want to join fighting fund for PR / lobbying /adverts to create a wider debate of the issues of the Nominet .uk proposal?

By signing up and contributing would have idea of budget and get on with drawing up plans.

The plans would only be provided to those that join the fighting fund and they will all have the oppertunity to contribute to develop distribution and content.

Anybody have design skills they could contribute to website and adverts to keep costs down and to provide a professional appearance?