.UK Announced

[websaway]

How long though before the .uk pushes aside the .co.uk and becomes the no.1?

At the end of the day would it not be about how the search engines like Google, Bing and Yahoo feel about the new .uk? As they are the ones that put a site in a postion in the Serp.

My point is, will any "wronged " business be prepared to brand the name in the hope that the co.uk dies any kind of death ? ( which it won't )
This is just a method of adding more options, more confusion, and more cost to the domain industry, with winners and losers resulting.
And in the meantime creating an enormous cloud over the developement of the UK's webspace.

 

[arkvard]

5-10 years in registration volume.

Do you not think it will be quicker than that with all the discussions going on here?

Everyone here is running scared so all the established domain traders are either going to be rushing out and at least trying to match to the .co.uk they have to try and protect their investment as much as they can or new domainers starting out to build a decent portfolio. Or how about existing business owners of the .co.uk wanting the .uk to protect their brand or the business owner who could not get the domain he wanted in the 1st place now has the chance to get it.

At the end of the day the .org.uk will get pushed down the pecking order almost instantly i'm sure so it's just if, when or how long it takes for the .co.uk too...That's the million dollar question..

 

[arkvard]

What would be non legit business?

.uk will suffer from Cybersquatting and please don't confuse entities owning many domains with that terminology. Trading is domains for profit is acceptable according to Nominet and it is written into their DRS policy.

Nominet auctions will ensure most businesses will have to pay £1K+ anyway. e.g short domain auctions http://exacts.co.uk/nominet-short-domain-auctions-who-got-what/

Sorry maybe the legit business thing was a bit harsh. Really I mean a business/company that uses the domain how most want it to be used.

We all know how the likes of Google do not like affiliate sites, parked pages etc Nominet knows that its a big issue of too many domains being parked for whatever reason and of course they allow trading of domains, why wouldn't they as its a huge part of their income. Just the same as why do all registers allow anyone to register a trademark domain when they can easily put filters in to stop most being registered? It's all purely about generating more income.

 

[foz]

Good question.

.cn example.

.cn was introduced in March 2003.

.com.cn 145,719
.cn 95,531

Now in August 2012 (9 years later).

.com.cn 1,097,478
.cn 3,116,132

However .cn was plagued by scammers, malware and fraudulent activity (phishing). At one point it was shut down from taking further registrations. Which is why I suspect Nominet are launching .uk with the added security measures.

 

[websaway]

Do you not think it will be quicker than that with all the discussions going on here?

Everyone here is running scared so all the established domain traders are either going to be rushing out and at least trying to match to the .co.uk they have to try and protect their investment as much as they can or new domainers starting out to build a decent portfolio. Or how about existing business owners of the .co.uk wanting the .uk to protect their brand or the business owner who could not get the domain he wanted in the 1st place now has the chance to get it.

At the end of the day the .org.uk will get pushed down the pecking order almost instantly i'm sure so it's just if, when or how long it takes for the .co.uk too...That's the million dollar question..

It will certainly take years for the .UK to get the same traction that the co.uk has gained.And if the co.uk holder got the .uk he would not need to use it, it could be mothballed,so saving on costs,this would assure it's failure to dominate.It's just a money making scheme verging on extortion.

 

[foz]

Just the same as why do all registers allow anyone to register a trademark domain when they can easily put filters in to stop most being registered? It's all purely about generating more income.

Daily_co_uk has blocking measures for blatant TM's, however Nominet conduct themselves under a FCFS (first come first served) stance so to impede that philosophy could be a breach of the Registrar's agreement?

 

[arkvard]

It will certainly take years for the .UK to get the same traction that the co.uk has gained.And if the co.uk holder got the .uk he would not need to use it, it could be mothballed,so saving on costs,this would assure it's failure to dominate.It's just a money making scheme verging on extortion.

But if Nominet are launching .uk with the added security measures surely having using the .uk instead of the .co.uk instantly makes you more trustable and especially in the search engines and in a searchers eyes...

 

[foz]

But if Nominet are launching .uk with the added security measures surely having using the .uk instead of the .co.uk instantly makes you more trustable and especially in the search engines and in a searchers eyes...

The measures could be phased in on third level domains right now.

 

[foz]

Second level .uk poll.

 

[stender]

How many of us will still be here when it's acorndomains.uk?

I'm mothballing any ideas I had. Googles changes and then this. All too confusing.

 

[~andy]

Altering the UK online trading environment is not a decision for a few at the top of Nominet.

I fear that a direct.uk blunder is one step closer to direct.gov.uk.

Nominet need to focus on maintaining .co.uk (they do a great job).

I've been a Nominet member for many years, but only have a handful of domains I use on my tag. Whatever weight that holds, I support an EGM being called.

 

[retired_member33]

Something which I have never understood is why there were .org.uk/.co.uk/.me.uk/ltd.uk etc.. extensions in the first place?

Why didn't Nominet, or whoever was responsible for the UK extension at that time just go for .UK straight away instead of confusing people with 4 or more different options?

It seems a bit backwards to me.. First introduce several "sub extensions" and then introduce the "top level" domain.

 

[murph]

How many of us will still be here when it's acorndomains.uk?

I'm mothballing any ideas I had. Googles changes and then this. All too confusing.

+1 It honestly makes .com the only safe alternative if they go ahead with this. I have several sites I'm now putting on hold.

 

[GreyWing]

OK, that.co.uk is back and focused on this issue completely now. I have shelved my business interests and adverts from it.

The link for the egm call is here http://www.that.co.uk/nominet-members/call-for-an-egm-at-nominet.html 110 EGM calls from Nominet members as of this morning.

Still adding to the rest of the site with regards people's views and thoughts, content etc. If you can help then it would be great if you could send stuff over to me to put on the site.

The site is meant to engage people who are not domainers. If we are too succeed in this we have to highlight why others will be negatively effected.

1) Downloadable letters to MP's
2) Comments from the CBI, chamber of commerce groups
etc

We've got to think out of the box on it broadly speaking. Any ideas, give us a shout.

 

[arkvard]

Something which I have never understood is why there were .org.uk/.co.uk/.me.uk/ltd.uk etc.. extensions in the first place?

Why didn't Nominet, or whoever was responsible for the UK extension at that time just go for .UK straight away instead of confusing people with 4 or more different options?

It seems a bit backwards to me.. First introduce several "sub extensions" and then introduce the "top level" domain.

Yeah i agree and mentioned that in a previous post, as how comes apart from .com, .org and .net all the major countries have always used 2 letters like .de, .es, .jp, .fr etc etc.

So how comes the a major country like the Uk got lumbered with 2 dots and 4 letters form the start?...seems very weird

 

[foz]

Yeah i agree and mentioned that in a previous post, as how comes apart from .com, .org and .net all the major countries have always used 2 letters like .de, .es, .jp, .fr etc etc.

.com.es and .co.jp are valid extensions.

 

[foz]

The link for the egm call is here http://www.that.co.uk/nominet-members/call-for-an-egm-at-nominet.html 110 EGM calls from Nominet members as of this morning.

I don't support the form this EGM is taking, especially point 1). I am not in favour of the second level being opened up at all. Buying into Nominet's submission and their suggestions and accepting that it will happen is playing right into their hands. I retract my support and wish you well.

 

[websaway]

Something which I have never understood is why there were .org.uk/.co.uk/.me.uk/ltd.uk etc.. extensions in the first place?

Why didn't Nominet, or whoever was responsible for the UK extension at that time just go for .UK straight away instead of confusing people with 4 or more different options?

It seems a bit backwards to me.. First introduce several "sub extensions" and then introduce the "top level" domain.

;-)

 

[~andy]

I don't support the form this EGM is taking, especially point 1). I am in favour of the second level not being opened up at all. Buying into Nominet's submission and their suggestions and accepting that it will happen is playing right into their hands.

I think you are correct. Nip this in the bud. Save time and confusion for everyone.

 

[GreyWing]

I don't support the form this EGM is taking, especially point 1). I am in favour of the second level not being opened up at all. Buying into Nominet's submission and their suggestions and accepting that it will happen is playing right into their hands. I retract my support and wish you well.

Foz, You are arguing what is on the menu, I'm trying to get us a menu.

Those questions on that list are a preliminary broad view. They may or may not be the questions that will be put at a EGM. When we have enough broad support, there will be a question put to those that have given their support for an EGM about just what specifically is the question to ask members.

I'm saddened that you don't want to add your views at that point, but we are not at that point yet.

But please understand you are arguing what is in stage 2, we are at stage 1.