.UK Announced

[foz]

It is dillusional to even think that Nominet are going to hand the medium to large portfolio owners the .uk versions,

Don't you think the investors will just buy them in the auctions? As the short domain auctions attested. Nominet now seems to desire cash so I think they will oblige.

 

[Alpha]

At first I thought you were an ambulance chaser.
Then I thought you were just a genuine concernee of the new proposals, but you have the same traits that all trollers have you go for it too quickly and of course the members on here are far too experienced to be taken in. Would be helpful now if you left the thread alone.

just to fill in the gaps here. I know this guy, and if I was to describe him, I'd describe him as the arrogant moron who owns £.com

he joined another forum that I admin, and was told years ago that his symbol domain was going to be made invalid. He didn't listen, got weird, got rude and left.
Funny that he turns up here and his first post is complaining about his registrar who has written to him saying his domain is now invalid. I can't find that post now, maybe he edited away...

.. anyway, apologies for briefly going off topic.

 

[Bailey]

He did edit it out Alpha

And thank -you for backing my and Websaways (and Sadly only one or two others) Judgement of the Pr*ck.

Still we've agreed not to divert this thread anymore. "The moron has left the building" as they say

 

[GreyWing]

He did edit it out Alpha

And thank -you for backing my (and only one or two others) Judgement of the Pr*ck

Good one Bailey, I'm pretty quick at spotting them but you beat me to that one.

 

[Bailey]

Good one Bailey, I'm pretty quick at spotting them but you beat me to that one.

Theres some darn good people on here at Acorn - I don't ever see a bit of intentional malice- maybe the odd cutting comment, but thats all good.

I have since received a very welcome PM from one member who may have been fooled. But hey everything is a learning curve

 

[Alpha]

still we've agreed not to divert this thread anymore

indeed.

so let me add my on-topic view.

The introduction of .uk IMO is already a done deal. You don't go this far in the process without knowing that already. So the consultation then is actually just "how", not "if" this will be done.

I applaud the efforts here, but I have to say, not only are domainers a minority, they are often seen as the anti-christ. I don't think collectively we will get any support; in fact if anything, we could do more harm than good.

The key to doing this properly, and lets face it the biggest loser in all of this, will be to get UK businesses on board.

I can't help but think that the best approach here is to sit tight, and watch what happens with the .NZ process; and use what worked well there, and highlight the pitfalls for use in the UK process. Watching how NZ businesses react (or not), or even their complete ignorance of it going on will be priceless info.

The only part of all this I am not sure on, is whether the .NZ timetable is sufficiently advanced to allow that to happen.

Gary.

 

[anthony]

...Even the stock market (the centre of speculation) has rules against activities that destabilise the market because the platform on the stock market also provides investment in other areas. Can't just have a free for all or nobody would ever invest because the goal posts keep moving.

But that's stock in a stock market, where speculation is at the very core of its structure. Comparing it to domain names is like comparing apples with pears. Domain names are fundamentally to be used, not traded as stock!

If i buy a BMW 5 series in the August 2013, and BMW bring out a new model just six months later, I don't go bitching to them asking for a free upgrade because they didn't tell me, and my current model has lost value. As i said before, that life.

 

[Bailey]

If i buy a BMW 5 series in the August 2013, and BMW bring out a new model just six months later, I don't go bitching to them asking for a free upgrade because they didn't tell me, and my current model has lost value. As i said before, that life.

Not quite the same thing Anthony - thats called "Product Life cycle"

Lets not mix our Apples and Pears

 

[anthony]

Not quite the same thing Anthony - thats called "Product Life cycle"

Lets not mix our Apples and Pears

This too is 'product life cycle', you just don't see it yet!

 

[Bailey]

Your Spot-on Alpha,

As and When Businesses become aware - The Shit will hit the proverbial fan. Sure they don't like domainers - you wait until they see Nominet as No different.

All that needs to be done is to get "Nominets" message out there for them

 

[Bailey]

This too is 'product life cycle', you just don't see it yet!

I see a con when it's dressed up as something else.

I'm not sure you understand whats meant by "Product life cycle" It means it's cyclical by its constant nature of renewal.

 

[GreyWing]

Domain names are fundamentally to be used, not traded as stock!

Come on really? I must have missed Nominet's "How to Use this domain" page.

 

[websaway]

But that's stock in a stock market, where speculation is at the very core of its structure. Comparing it to domain names is like comparing apples with pears. Domain names are fundamentally to be used, not traded as stock!

If i buy a BMW 5 series in the August 2013, and BMW bring out a new model just six months later, I don't go bitching to them asking for a free upgrade because they didn't tell me, and my current model has lost value. As i said before, that life.

Just one observation Anthony, but not meaning to gang up on you, commodities of all types are traded.

 

[Bailey]

And Yes the Gtld model seems to be thriving on it's resale model

Nominet made a big Big BIG mistake allowing a domain capture system - everybody knows it and it wasn't hard to spot years ago. Now what happens, 'Big Business' money is not dictating the way forward, but clever usage is.

Gotta Fix that - somehow, years after the horse has bolted - Says Nominet

I've always thought - since i've known about it the - the UK domain capture system is going to lead to a sticky end. Now Nominet instead of holding up its hands and saying 'yes' Not only did we allow-it. But darn well encouraged-it (hence 10 million regs and an OBE). and be "seen to be equally guilty" of killing the UK name space.

too many prime domains in the hands of domainers (and of course page developers) ?? - whos fault is that.

So now Nominet wants to kick everybody into touch (pardon the game terminology) to appease the vocal crowd - typical that they can't even imagine the noise thats awaiting - Not domainers/developers - but the rest that brought in (thats every UK business with an online presence)

Strange - No full page ads mail-shots etc from nominet given the proposed impact on every .co.uk business identity (or real possible loss/conflict of identity)

As much as I admire individual and group efforts to make these proposed changes heard from within - My advice would be do what you can to let Nominets proposals see the real light of day -the millions of so far unheard of businesses that also brought in. Get it out there- It won't need a Nominet voting majority to see change.

If That includes stopping us small players dictating the way the UK space is held in the future - so be it

 

[Alien]

If i buy a BMW 5 series in the August 2013, and BMW bring out a new model just six months later, I don't go bitching to them asking for a free upgrade because they didn't tell me, and my current model has lost value. As i said before, that life.

I think the change is more akin to buying a 4 wheeled car this year, then in 2013 we're told we need the next best super dooper 5 wheeled model, or else we're going to crash.

The 5 wheeled model must have amazing new oil, 10 star petrol and ultra studded tyres for safety. It also combines new engine technology which is 'state of the art' and 'must have'. :mrgreen:

 

[addz123]

Hi Marcoose, no you won't be given rights to
the .uk because you haven't developed*, and
so can not claim to have a registered or, indeed,
unregistered TM.

I hope that clarifies

* Developing from now won't give you rights either.

Where is this from? What's the cut-off point for developing a .co.uk and having unregistered rights to the .uk?

 

[grantw]

Where is this from? What's the cut-off point for developing a .co.uk and having unregistered rights to the .uk?

It's misquoted from the proposal I think.

Cut off is 3 months prior to the release of the proposal, and it doesn't say 'developed' it says that evidence of use must be provided and doesn't go into any further detail.

Page 13:

http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/Nominet_FINAL_electronic_form3_0.pdf

Grant

 

[Retired_member41]

Is this why nominet crawled every registered domain? So as to establish which ones were being used etc?

Very presumptuous of them at such an early stage.

Who is leading this process at nominet?

When was it decided to look into this, meetings etc and people present?

If anyone has the answers I'd be very grateful.

 

[addz123]

It's misquoted from the proposal I think.

Cut off is 3 months prior to the release of the proposal, and it doesn't say 'developed' it says that evidence of use must be provided and doesn't go into any further detail.

Page 13:

http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/Nominet_FINAL_electronic_form3_0.pdf

Grant

Thanks. It says the domain needs to be have shown in used prior to 3 months before the publication of the consultation.

That basically means you need to be using the domain by this week or it's too late to get unregistered rights.

 

[scooter]

What if you have a domain that is auto forwarding to another URL as the said domain was registered to protect your already existing asset. Does this constitute as usage?






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