My personal view is that AcornDomains isn't an appropriate place to discuss these kind of issues. However as you've brought it up, I'll give you my view. :
This is the general discussion board, why in your view do you think it cannot be discussed? It's news. All news outlets are discussing it. It affects people.
From what I can establish, Ibrahim wasn't prosecuted for murder, man slaughter or death by dangerous driving. Therefore did he kill her? According to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-12007100 he was only prosecuted for driving whilst desqualified and failing to stop after an accident.
the girl who died's father had to make the decision to switch off her life support machine after 6 weeks
therefore no doubt there is a legal technicality that the illegal immigrant did not kill her.
although as he a/ should not have been in the country and was loose (mainly the uk officials fault as i have said, but also his decision to illegally enter the country
b/ he chose to drive illegally
if you are a legal driver, with licence etc. not breaking law and someone runs out in front of you it is another matter. it would be a tragedy. his car mounted the pavement! but the fact he should have never been there is the main point. driving a deadly weapon in this case
because he ran away rather than trying to help deepens the case.
he also escaped police testing to see if he was drunk or on drugs
here is another viewpoint. it's from the guardian. the guardian is probably only the decent mainstream news outlet imo along with bbc, however this is quite a 'biased' or different viewpoint because of the author
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/libertycentral/2010/dec/28/human-rights-act-aso-mohammed-ibrahim
i'm very much for human rights, however the system is wrong and legislation and that's the point i'm getting at
Did he actually kill her or did, for example, she run out in front of his car? If it was his fault, why wasn't he prosecuted for something much more serious such as death by dangerous driving?
see above
We have a legal process that should be followed. That's what makes the UK civalised and other countries less civalised.
your spelling is atrocious lol. mentioned this before
civilised
i agree, we don't want to take that away. no-one is suggesting that
i mentioned the judges and authorities need pulling up and this needs reviewing at the highest level. looking at the facts it is incredible how he got only 4 months and not deported or sent to a secure unit after leaving prison
the guardian also says he had a string of previous convictions. this was in 2003!
so the legal process has failed. we must reform it across the board and tougher sentencing guidelines before following it
why ignore this obvious miscarriage of justice on the family and victim??
without society discussing this sort of thing and raising questions and putting pressure, there can be no reform
I don't know, but perhaps because they didn't consider any of his convictions to be particularly serious. He hadn't murdered anyone, or apparently commited any violent crime.
he had previous convictions therefore is a criminal. however i don't think the law comsiders previous convictions, i really don't know. of course it should
i also don't know what the sentencing guidelines are, however i refuse to believe that 4 months can be the maximum even with legal loopholes
the judge failed to consider the victim and the victim's family
we need judges who are empathetic and will keep criminals locked away. why on earth would a judge be so lenient?
a scandalous decision and no deterrrent or justice was played out
He wasn't locked up, awaiting deportation, so he was able to walk free and both he and his partner exercised their right to free will. Maybe they like each other?
this is the point. if people are illegal immigrants, they are illegal and need keeping in secure units or they disappear.
some asylum seekers are genuine and have the right to appeal for a right to stay. he has exhausted all channels to stay and has no right to stay
my main argument is why was he walking around meeting people and getting up to no good, he should have been under lock and key. and kept fed and warm as we do. no problem with that
so as i said the authorities and the system needs to be reformed
I see couples together, some with children and some without, and often wonder what they saw in each other but in our society it's none of my business.
no-ones saying it is.
citizens of our society can do what they want
he shouldn't have been walking around doing what he wanted, as this case proves. he is not liable or reprehensible it seems foranything he does
now he has kids it makes him untouchable it seems
i am sure people in his position are rubbing their hands
this huge mistake in managing illegal immingrants whould be a warning to the powers that be that the 'system' and laws have to be changed. it cannot be black and white but is urgent is addressed
We have legal processes that needs to be followed. If we didn't, we'd be as bad as the countries where people suffer consequences without proper investigation and a fair trial. That wouldn't be right.
no-ones saying we should!
however laws are not amended and changed through due process when they're clearly wrong
for example i suggest if someone does a runner and leaves someone dying we can't assume they just panicked. who cares
if the police can't locate them quickly they have to be assumed they were drunk or on drugs. of course the law doesn't allow that, that wouldn't be 'fair'!
so he gets the lesser charge of leaving scene of an accident
becuase her father had to take the decision to switch machine off, he no doubt gets away with murder, literally etc
Perhaps it wasn't his fault? If I run out in front of car, for example, and get knocked over and die is it the driver's fault (regardless of his ethnicity, or whether he/she was driving whilst desqualified)?
we already covered he mounted pavement and ran away and she was trapped under wheels
there is no one answer
if you have a licence and are a legal citizen and someone ran out and your car has an mot and you weren't drunk or on drugs or on mobile etc, then one would feel pity for victim AND driver
if you were breaking law on one count then you will get some sort of penalty and on your conscience
some people including the chap we're discussing broke most of these and ran away and didn't try and save her
I suspect if he'd committed anything serious, he'd have been on remand. Also you're quoting a story from The Sun. Do I really need to explain how tabloids spin things, and slant things, in order to make certain people (such as yourself) fume?
you suspect wrong. by all accounts the judge gave an amazingly low sentence and also for the points i've raised the law failed to get him on some counts
no you don't need to explain anything you arrogant fool
when i search news when having a break i look at most of the news 'channels' and i'm the first to slag off the sun if you read any of my posts. inclusing in this thread where i acknowledge it's hardly a reliable news source
but most of this article they reported seems accurate.
I feel that you appear to have been wound up by something that has been sensationalised by the tabloid press.
it's been reported in all news channels and is a very old story, but the father has not given up fighting
if you are not disgusted at this course of events you need to seriously check your moral compass imo
I am fully aware that a young girl unfortunately died but if the guy was only jailed for 4 months, and only for failing to stop and driving whilst desqualified, it doesn't appear that the girl was blameless.
what planet are you on?
he mounted the pavement
he shouldn't have been on the road
he should have never been there to mount the pavement and knock her down
a/ illegal immigrant
b/ no licence, no documents etc.
I don't condone people that drive whilst desqualified or people that run away after an accident, and if you do either I fully believe you should face appropriate consequences. Although I have yet to be involved in any RTA, I can accept that some people panic and terrible make errors of judgement when involved in such alwful situations. I read that he handed himself in afterwards but as I wasn't involved with the case, I cannot verify this.
i should hope not
some people 'panic' yes. but tend to be in shock and are paralysed with shcok or very quiet, they don't normally run away on foot unless they are illegal, no docs, insurance, or drunk or on drugs and are cowards
i unlike you have over 14 years dealing with rta's in the fire service and seen what happens to victims and those who cause the accidents so am in a good position to say. as a member of society i also feel it is my right to speak out about wrong decisions and laws that affect our society as a whole and everyone's safety, especially my children's
I hope you'll understand my view that it is important to follow due process and that people should be prosecuted and punished appropriately in relation to their original actions.
that is my viewpoint, although from reading what you write it is hard to believe that is the case with you
what is your point? what would you like to see improved
dom you think this is a fair outcome?
do you think the authorities should have let this individual roam around freely to commit these crimes when he had no business being here?
do you think he should have walked away from prison free to start a life here?
do you feel empathy for her father fighting for justice for 7 years?
do you think the judge should be hauled across the coals or at least the case reviewed?
