9/11 Charlie Sheen / your views

[domainseller200]

So lots of you will have heard this on the news, but what are your own thoughts ?

YouTube - Charlie Sheen's Video Message to President Obama

Obviously Mr Sheen has waited until a new president has come into power, as he SHOULD be able to give a totally independant view (in theory)

I have always thought there has been a conspiracy to some degree, and after watching the video and seeing lots of other things over the years, I am now even more convinced.

My own conclusion is that the 9/11 attack DID have something to do with the US government, and was planned as a reason / justification to go to war with Iraq over the oil etc etc.

Obviously this is my view and could be rubbish, but I would be interested to hear others thoughts / beliefs etc.

Nice little sunday debate

 

[GreyWing]

Charlie sheen off his rocker imo. Anyone that thinks you could keep a secret like this in Government obviously has not worked for any Government or military around the world.

To wire those buildings with explosives and the number of people and time to do it would have been huge.

What happened is that intelligence got word of it going to happen but disregarded it and now covered that mistake up. But people have to put that into context of hundreds of plots coming to their attention per week.

So whilst there maybe a cover up, it's a cover up of mistakes rather than government plot.

 

[Darren]

This book is worth a read "The Shock Doctrine".

The Shock Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was also a programme related to this on More4 a week or so ago.

 

[domainseller200]

So whilst there maybe a cover up, it's a cover up of mistakes rather than government plot.

Mistakes such as ?

 

[domainseller200]

This book is worth a read "The Shock Docterine".

The Shock Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was also a programme related to this on More4 a week or so ago.

Thanks for the link Darren

 

[GreyWing]

Mistakes such as ?

They pick up intelligence and get tip offs from people all around the world. They may have picked someone up or someone might have been an paid informant and told the FBI / CIA what was going to happen.

This then gets writtend down and field up the chain. Someone up the chain reads hundreds of these plost and didn't take it seriously, it happens a lot and 9999 out of 10,000 it is the right decision. Obviously with hindsight this one would have been wrong to disreguard it.

So if the media found out then all hell would have broken loose, that is why they probably covered it up.

That is absolute worse case scenario on any cover up, nothing worse than that.

 

[Darren]

Here is a link to the video on More4.

The Shock Doctrine - 4oD - Channel 4

 

[retired_member32]

there are questions that need to be asked?

why was an insurance policy in excess of £3bn taken out two weeks before the buildings were hit,even though there were sufficient cover for 4 months.

why did they attack iraq ? the bombers were from saudi arabia

 

[domainseller200]

there are questions that need to be asked?

why was an insurance policy in excess of £3bn taken out two weeks before the buildings were hit,even though there were sufficient cover for 4 months.

why did they attack iraq ? the bombers were from saudi arabia

Because the US government were behind it all, and it was all planned and a cover up to justify war on Iraq.

The pentagon is the most guarded and CCTV covered building in the world, and yet they refused to release any footage about the plane actually hitting the pentagon - why ?

How can the buildings just fall to the ground just like they did, with no explosives ? lots of people said they heard explosives going off ?

These are just a couple for starters !

 

[SF]

Frank wtf are you on drugs or what mate.. charlie sheen has lost the plot mate..

 

[retired_member12]

They pick up intelligence and get tip offs from people all around the world. They may have picked someone up or someone might have been an paid informant and told the FBI / CIA what was going to happen.

This then gets writtend down and field up the chain. Someone up the chain reads hundreds of these plost and didn't take it seriously, it happens a lot and 9999 out of 10,000 it is the right decision. Obviously with hindsight this one would have been wrong to disreguard it...

Which is what happened 3 years earlier in the American Embassy attack in Nairobi. A walk-in reported an imminent truck bomb attack on the embassy, but those further up the chain dismissed it, owing to the low standing of the informant.

It's no surprise therefore that some 3 years later, they would want to cover up failed intelligence analysis again.

 

[domainseller200]

Frank wtf are you on drugs or what mate.. charlie sheen has lost the plot mate..

Wish I was

Have you actually watched the video Sean ? he has just voiced what 10's of millions of people have thought for years

 

[GreyWing]

Which is what happened 3 years earlier in the American Embassy attack in Nairobi. A walk-in reported an imminent truck bomb attack on the embassy, but those further up the chain dismissed it, owing to the low standing of the informant.

It's no surprise therefore that some 3 years later, they would want to cover up failed intelligence analysis again.

and July 7th bombings over here, unfortunately the security services can only track x amount of people at a time.

 

[domainseller200]

and July 7th bombings over here, unfortunately the security services can only track x amount of people at a time.

That was the UK Governments answer (their own 9/11) to justify their involvment with the war on Iraq

 

[GreyWing]

Because the US government were behind it all, and it was all planned and a cover up to justify war on Iraq.

Who is "they" break it down to x individuals. I know people who serve in some of the most secret units and to even suggest people like that would get involved in stuff like this is crazy. They would tell their superiors to pee off if it ever got suggested they did this stuff. Remember that they have families as well.

The pentagon is the most guarded and CCTV covered building in the world, and yet they refused to release any footage about the plane actually hitting the pentagon - why ?

Maybe they just don't have any more on that area of the building and it would be embarrasing to admit it.

How can the buildings just fall to the ground just like they did, with no explosives ? lots of people said they heard explosives going off ?

How did those buildings stand for so long.

These are just a couple for starters !

Yep I remember the extra questions, all the jews being off work that day, Mossad agents on the plane.

The engines from the hijacked flight 93 ending up 7 miles from the crash scene. Then it turned out that people were measuring the distance from the plane to the engines by a mapping system on the net that followed the road which went round a river which was 7 miles, yet only 300 meters as the crow flies.

Anyone that knows government and miltary knows that nothing goes to plan and to organise this just wasn't possible.

 

[domainseller200]

Who is "they" break it down to x individuals. I know people who serve in some of the most secret units and to even suggest people like that would get involved in stuff like this is crazy. They would tell their superiors to pee off if it ever got suggested they did this stuff. Remember that they have families as well.

Obviously I cannot break it down to x individuals, as I do not know this. To suggest "they have families as well" is a weak argument in the respect of a reason not to do it - Royal Marines have familes also - doesn't stop the killing someone with their bare hands if the need is called for.

Maybe they just don't have any more on that area of the building and it would be embarrasing to admit it.

So they would rather falsify a whole story of a plane crashing into it, than admit there were no cameras in that part ?

How did those buildings stand for so long.

The way the buildings collapsed was very similar to the way buildings collapsed in a controlled demolition of a building. A building of that strength and size would not have collapsed in that way, without the aid of already planted explosives in the building.

Yep I remember the extra questions, all the jews being off work that day, Mossad agents on the plane.

The engines from the hijacked flight 93 ending up 7 miles from the crash scene. Then it turned out that people were measuring the distance from the plane to the engines by a mapping system on the net that followed the road which went round a river which was 7 miles, yet only 300 meters as the crow flies.

Anyone that knows government and miltary knows that nothing goes to plan and to organise this just wasn't possible.

Yes but thats the whole point - it didn't go to plan - there are lots of flaws in the whole scenario. If they are not involved, then alot of these flaws are easily cleared up by releasing footage and answering questions that people so desperatly want answers to, which wouldn't be a problem if they were not involved.

 

[Darren]

This also aired on Nat Geo the other week.

9/11: Science and Conspiracy | National Geographic Channel

9/11: Science and Conspiracy | National Geographic Channel

 

[domainseller200]

Also, A few days after the attack, several newspapers as well as the FBI reported that a paper passport had been found in the ruins of the WTC. In August 2004, CNN reported that 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah’s visa was found in the remains of Flight 93 which went down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania

At least a third of the WTC victim’s bodies were vaporized and many of the victims of the Pentagon incident were burned beyond recognition. And yet visas and paper passports which identify the perpetrators and back up the official version of events miraculously survive explosions and fires that we are told melted steel buildings.

 

[GreyWing]

Obviously I cannot break it down to x individuals, as I do not know this. To suggest "they have families as well" is a weak argument in the respect of a reason not to do it - Royal Marines have familes also - doesn't stop the killing someone with their bare hands if the need is called for.

Nope it's not a weak argument mate, do you think I would go out and fly a plane into a building or organise the demolition on a building because someone told me too?

Killing people ion the heat of battle is different, what you are talking about is murder.

British soldier resigns in protest at 'illegal' Iraq war

These are the types of people who fill the military top end, not the Rambo's.

So they would rather falsify a whole story of a plane crashing into it, than admit there were no cameras in that part ?

Falsify?

Where did the plane go and all the people on it then? 100 people just dissapeared?

The way the buildings collapsed was very similar to the way buildings collapsed in a controlled demolition of a building. A building of that strength and size would not have collapsed in that way, without the aid of already planted explosives in the building.

The floors collapsed onto each other, each one collapsing onto the next causing a multiplication of force as they dropped. If they had dropped in silence then I would be suspicious.

Yes but thats the whole point - it didn't go to plan - there are lots of flaws in the whole scenario. If they are not involved, then alot of these flaws are easily cleared up by releasing footage and answering questions that people so desperatly want answers to, which wouldn't be a problem if they were not involved.

have you heard of one, just one person from any government agency who said they involved in any conspiracy? and planted explosives or whatever.

Nope, this government can't even stop a leaked report on the baby p incident from hitting the news, the stockwell shooting from coming out early. That is how government is conducted in reality not this idea you have where even keeps quiet and nothing ever leaks out.

Mate I'll probably leave it there on this, if people want to involve themselves in these fantasies then so be it. But believe to anyone that has worked in forces or government, you are giving them too much credit on their ability to organise anything more than a piss up in a brewery.

 

[domainseller200]

Mate I'll probably leave it there on this, if people want to involve themselves in these fantasies then so be it. But believe to anyone that has worked in forces or government, you are giving them too much credit on their ability to organise anything more than a piss up in a brewery.

No probs, if you are leaving it there, there is no point in me answering your questions with more facts. I can see the facts in what you say in more ways than one - but it will not stop me or millions of others believing that there is a cover up in one way or another

Nice to have a sunday debate mate

Next sunday - What REALLY happened to the Titanic ? YouTube - Unfastened Coins: Titanic Conspiracy (All meant in harmless fun and worth 2 minutes of your time to lighten up the mood)