A reality check needed on domain prices?

[rob]

There is no such thing as a UK domainer community good % of you are stabbing each other in the back to get those domains, and before you say anything about it just ask yourself this it was a socalled domainer from this forum that stuck in andrew bennett about his whois site that got taken down.

Disagree - there is a community however small.

I do agree though there are people who are happy to rip people off, scam or act very dodgy for a couple of quid. Most know who they are though by now

As for thinking about that instance before answering, I agree, there are people on here I wouldnt touch with a barge pole. So I dont

 

[anthony]

I'm baffled. Honestly. I still don't see how I price my names or choose to mine the still-unregistered goldmine has anything to do with the initial point that I made. That's like trying to argue that the Earth is flat because it goes around the sun! The latter fact may be "true" but it has nothing to do with the former...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

The concept of someone with a 'Whac-A-Mole' business (you buy a block of maybe 50 unregistered domain names at a time, equating to an additional £100,000 to your end user price portfolio- pure speculation) having a pop at those who seek to buy wanted domains for £xx - £xxx is lost on me, I'd rather have the latter as a business model every day of the week!

 

[namealot]

There are plenty of companies that say get us x amount of extra traffic so other than a great generic (They may already own it ) … What are names that bring in 50 hits a month worth individually £10,000 £1,000 £100 £50… enough of them still achieves desired result… (pro’s and con’s to both cheap and higher value)

Or brands, rebrands etc. Norwich Union rebrand to aviva..? Did the company responcible go along with only £xx,xxx name(s) ? or cheaper ones £xx a mixture of all for client to choose favourite and dump the rest …

Can’t see any problem with request for names at xx or xxx or xx,xxx after all you don’t have to reply or offer your‘s and its overall profit that counts


Not everyones got millions and not everyones skint either….

 

[Edwin]

Ok, I can see this thread is running away in so many random directions, none of which are helpful.

One last time: I was only - and am still only - talking about the narrow, specific case of when people CLAIM PUBLICLY IN THEIR THREAD TO BE WORKING ON BEHALF OF CLIENTS!

I'm not talking about Wanted threads in general. I'm not talking about resale prices. I'm not talking about my own pricing. I'm not talking about business models. I'm not talking about marketing strategies.

This is an incredibly timely read...
http://domainnamewire.com/2010/10/25/single-biggest-threat-to-domain-industry-is-professionalism/

 

[websaway]

It is amusing though when a domain wanted ad for £x to £xx gives an example of names required that would be in the £xx,xxx bracket.

 

[domainseller200]

Ok, I can see this thread is running away in so many random directions, none of which are helpful.

One last time: I was only - and am still only - talking about the narrow, specific case of when people CLAIM PUBLICLY IN THEIR THREAD TO BE WORKING ON BEHALF OF CLIENTS!

I'm not talking about Wanted threads in general. I'm not talking about resale prices. I'm not talking about my own pricing. I'm not talking about business models. I'm not talking about marketing strategies.

This is an incredibly timely read...
http://domainnamewire.com/2010/10/25/single-biggest-threat-to-domain-industry-is-professionalism/

Basically you are saying you are annoyed at people asking for names for "clients" for £xx INSTEAD of educating or persuading clients to spend £x,xxx on a domain name - as you say "I think you're doing both your "client" and the domaining community a disservice if you nod along and agree with them that it's realistic to expect to find a commercially useful domain name for £xx"

But as I said previously, you are the first person to admit that there are loads of commercially viable useful unregged names out there for £x - you just need to mine for them.

It comes across to me, that your basically annoyed that people on here are not misleading their "clients" into thinking they HAVE to spend £x,xxx on a domain name to obtain something that is commercially useful, when there obviously are commercially useful names available as you are the first to point this out.

By me saying this, has nothing to do with your business model or having a dig at the business model at all, but more the fact that you are saying on one hand there are none available for £x, but on the other hand gloating that you have found 100's sitting there for £x

As Pugyrob said, there is alot of arrogancy going on in this thread
and it seems to me you are throwing your toys out of your pram as you don't like people quoting "clients" and low budgets as it doesn't suit your attitude to this business.

We all have the same intentions in this industry - to make as much money as possible from domain names, I just don't get annoyed or rant on a forum when other peoples way of achieving this don't match my own.

 

[Edwin]

I don't believe I have gloated. Not once!

What I have done, on the other hand, is explained (with examples) that hard work and effort can turn up commercially useful domains even today. And I have even said HOW.

On many separate occasions in many different threads, I have shared a lot of the methods I have used to "mine" for those domains. I have given specific examples of searches, sites and tools that I have used successfully, and I have explained how I use those as stepping-off points to generate more ideas. There is absolutely no "magic" to anything that I do, and anyone willing to take a similar approach could still find domains.

One of the problems with this thread is some of the replies have been extremely heated, and extremely personal. If you go back and read just my posts, there's no ranting in them!

 

[websaway]

come on all, ease off Edwin he contributes an awful lot to the domain industry and his points are valid and not to be taken out of context.

 

[domainseller200]

I don't believe I have gloated. Not once!

What I have done, on the other hand, is explained (with examples) that hard work and effort can turn up commercially useful domains even today. And I have even said HOW.

On many separate occasions in many different threads, I have shared a lot of the methods I have used to "mine" for those domains. I have given specific examples of searches, sites and tools that I have used successfully, and I have explained how I use those as stepping-off points to generate more ideas. There is absolutely no "magic" to anything that I do, and anyone willing to take a similar approach could still find domains.

One of the problems with this thread is some of the replies have been extremely heated, and extremely personal. If you go back and read just my posts, there's no ranting in them!

I used the term "gloated" as a figure of speech, as it is the opposite of how you were coming across in the thread originally.

I am not getting heated or personal - far from it, I am just saying it as I see it, and you still haven't acknowledged what I am saying is correct as you can't bat for both sides.

Please don't take what I am saying as a personal attack, you have pointed out that there is "gold in them hills" and I know that lots are very appreciative of this, and you also do lots for this industry - I just found the original post you made a little tantrumish.

 

[Nigel]

I think the thread was always going to get a little fiery.

It all comes down to the status of 'a client'

If it's a large PLC then xx to low xxx is unreasonable and a bit of a joke.

On the other hand my brother is a plasterer and I know the guys he works with in the building trade wouldn't want to spend more than xx to low xxx on a domain name. And for that sort of money it is possible to get a little gem on acorn from time to time. Now Edwin, Frank and quite a few others aren't going to get involved in those kind of deals but there are plenty who turn over lots of domains in the xx to low xxx range and make quite a nice living, some of them doing it as an extra income to their day job.

 

[domainseller200]

come on all, ease off Edwin he contributes an awful lot to the domain industry and his points are valid and not to be taken out of context.

Yes he does do alot for the industry, I wasn't saying any different for one second, but to not see what I am saying is blinkered vision - either there ARE commercially viable names available for £x or there ARE NOT.

 

[Edwin]

There is no contradiction.

Free to register domains always cost regfee. Always - they're free to register, after all! That statement says nothing however about what they're "worth" immediately after they have been registered, which is a subjective analysis based on their potential commercial value, size of the target market, number of companies in that market, and hundreds of other factors. Cost != Worth

On the other hand, a "Domains Wanted" thread is by definition referring to domains that are already registered. So the fact that other different domains may still be free to register for regfee is unrelated and the two shouldn't be connected.

I guess I should bow out of this thread at this point in any case, and get on with something else. I appreciate every constructive contribution, even if it didn't happen to match my own POV. The personal attacks on the other hand, I could have done without, but c'est la vie...

 

[domainseller200]

It all comes down to the status of 'a client'

If it's a large PLC then xx to low xxx is unreasonable and a bit of a joke.

Spot on !

If a local one man band startup company, approached someone who ran a small web design company, asking him to build a website for him - he then becomes their "client" by default.

If this person then came on here asking for a domain name for their "client" with a budget of £xx - £xxx, then who is anyone to say "pfft - a CLIENT and they ONLY want to spend £xx - £xxx"

Every one of us desires domain names we can't have as they are not in our budget, regardless of its size - this is no different to this or any other client for whatever reason.

 

[mojoco]

Edwins OP has been taken out of context.

I believe Edwin is referring to posts such as these where it totally unrealistic to expect to buy names of this quality for these prices....


I am after generic .co.uk or .org.uk fashion names such as knitwear, cardigans, jackets, leather jackets, leggings etc.

Only have a small budget so would be looking at low £xxx for the .co.uk and £xx for the org.uk.


http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/domain-name-wanted/77561-fashion-generic-domains-wanted.html



If this is not an unrealistic request, please offer me all of the names you have that fit that criteria.....

 

[domainseller200]

On the other hand, a "Domains Wanted" thread is by definition referring to domains that are already registered. So the fact that other different domains may still be free to register for regfee is unrelated and the two shouldn't be connected.

Maybe we should have a "Free to reg domain ideas" section here then, as this would erradicate this "problem" instantly, but I can guess what you will think of that idea.

 

[domainseller200]

Edwins OP has been taken out of context.

I believe Edwin is referring to posts such as these where it totally unrealistic to expect to buy names of this quality for these prices....


I am after generic .co.uk or .org.uk fashion names such as knitwear, cardigans, jackets, leather jackets, leggings etc.

Only have a small budget so would be looking at low £xxx for the .co.uk and £xx for the org.uk.


http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/domain-name-wanted/77561-fashion-generic-domains-wanted.html



If this is not an unrealistic request, please offer me all of the names you have that fit that criteria.....

Thats just an example of someone who doesn't understand values of domain names - being a new user with 5 posts could also help confirm this.

 

[GreyWing]

Edwins OP has been taken out of context.

I believe Edwin is referring to posts such as these where it totally unrealistic to expect to buy names of this quality for these prices....


I am after generic .co.uk or .org.uk fashion names such as knitwear, cardigans, jackets, leather jackets, leggings etc.

Only have a small budget so would be looking at low £xxx for the .co.uk and £xx for the org.uk.


http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/domain-name-wanted/77561-fashion-generic-domains-wanted.html

If this is not an unrealistic request, please offer me all of the names you have that fit that criteria.....

But thing is mate, how has that thread effected anyone on here. It doesn't fit my figures in selling, so why not just click out of the thread and move on. It only has a few replies and the guy said he had some options to go through, everyone's happy.

This forum fits many different business models, I think some people think that they are the corner stone of the forum and that all posts are aimed or related to them. I just feel some people are becoming very elitist and others are below them.

 

[retired_member16]

Thats just an example of someone who doesn't understand values of domain names - being a new user with 5 posts could also help confirm this.

But what problem is that of yours, or Edwins or mine?

Forget the wider 'community' which as a term is frankly laughable. I'm in it for me and me alone. Every single person on this board is a business 'enemy' of mine, as indeed I am to some others. It doesn't mean i have to belittle others actions or methods.

Lets just get on with our own separate agendas and models and keep plugging away.

 

[Edwin]

Maybe we should have a "Free to reg domain ideas" section here then, as this would erradicate this "problem" instantly, but I can guess what you will think of that idea.

Great idea. We could move these posts into it
http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/uk-expired-domain-names-drop-lists/70254-all-sorts-availables.html
http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/uk-expired-domain-names-drop-lists/70441-all-sorts-availables-2-a.html
http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/uk-expired-domain-names-drop-lists/70637-all-sorts-availables-3-a.html
http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/uk-expired-domain-names-drop-lists/71703-all-sorts-availables-4-a.html
http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/uk-ex...ists/46961-huge-list-over-500-availables.html

 

[domainseller200]

But what problem is that of yours, or Edwins or mine?

None of them - I was just giving a possible reason why this person may have asked this request, and it was in response to mojoco saying "here is someone who is totally unrealistic in their expectations"

It may not be unrealistic to them if they don't understand the value of domains - the same as when people stay in a Hilton for the first time and open the mini fridge and see a Mars Bar priced at £4.50 - they don't expect it to be £4.50 as they know they only cost 50p in a shop, where as people who have stayed there before will know that is just the cost of one in a Hilton hotel hence they know what to expect.