When Giraffe dropped 2100 three letter .uk with ZXQ...
BHAYDOM was able to scoop up 743 of them
So @Hay rather than bitching....
I’m wondering how this is technically possible using one tag , one dac , one epp connection
Is there something we are missing with the delayed DAC ? Scanning more names at once ?
So if all the top dozen catchers perceive themselves as getting a fair crack it's no longer shambolic despite average Joe wanting in standing no chance?
Whereas if the elite catchers discover that one amongst them is super elite and catches more than their fair share, in the eyes of their most direct rivals, then it is shambolic?
Is this the argument?.
If actually read my posts above I asked how it is technically possible that one tag can be so successful. I didn’t claim anything else or accuse them of cheating.
To Murray: I respect you but I disagree - 'fair' IS everyone having the same chance, at the point that a name drops, without requiring the British public to have inside and detailed knowledge of what to be frank is an unnecessary system.
Can someone explain this to me please? I don't quite follow it!However the time delayed DAC is by its very nature delayed by 100ms. If you share your real time DAC quote throughout the day it’s 200ms.
Can someone explain this to me please? I don't quite follow it!
I believe domain releases should be opened up to the entire British public..
if it becomes available, I should be able to buy it immediately at the market price, whatever it will sell for.
Not really, you can't reinvent the wheel... Must keep things in line with other registries as much as possible.One of the things Nominet could do to make it a little bit fairer is introduce an additional status on a dropping domain, say 'Q'.
Real Time DAC
The real time DAC is a maximum of 432,000 checks per rolling 24 hours.
If there are 86400 seconds in a day you can check 5 times a second (432000 / 86400). Which means you can check every 200ms seconds (1000 ms / 5 ).
You normally use 6 EPP connections to chase 6 names at once. You also look for the caching flaw in the DAC.
Time Delay DAC
The time delay Dac is delayed by 100ms to start with. However you get more quota (if you register a lot of names one month):
“The daily limit is set at 5x the number of domain names on tag PLUS 200x the highest monthly new registrations figure from the previous 12 months and is capped at 3 million daily queries. This figure is recalculated at midnight on the first day of the month.”
So if you registered 1000 names with 1000 on your tag already:
5 x 1000 on tag = 5000 checks
200 x 1000 new reg = 200,000 checks
You could use those 205,000 extra lookups every 100ms to check in between your real time DAC checks? And who knows there might be another flaw?
Not only that you can scan a bigger set of names including less valuable names (check more names at once). That is why he gets some names but not other premium drops.
One of the things Nominet could do to make it a little bit fairer is introduce an additional status on a dropping domain, say 'Q', that when set would allow queuing of registration requests at the EPP server, one of which is randomly selected as the winner. Think of this as a randomised queue structure.
For instance, say the following domain "domain.uk" is dropping. Interested parties would query the DAC for "domain.uk" over the course of the day as normal. When the domain is about to drop, it enter's the 'Q' phase which lasts 1000ms. During this time, create requests sent to the EPP would be inserted into a randomised queue. At the end of the 'Q' phase, one of the requests in the queue is processed. If it fails, another request is randomly selected, until the domain is registered.
The benefit of a random queue means that those with the fastest systems or bigger DAC quotas don't necessary win most of the time and gives other people a bit more chance to win their names.
-> so it would need to be above 480K to get the max 1000 daily limit?
So you'd need to register more than 2K domains in a month to get over the 480k limit, in order to get more lookups?
So they could just be queued, so the response time would be irrelevant?
Funny to still see threads like this pop up. Over the years exploits have been found time and again with either DAC or EPP. It is all part of the game. Some of us have gone on winning streaks in years gone by due to something we've discovered at one point or another.
I done a fair bit of bitching myself in the past, but all in good competitive spirit of course.
Stay safe everyone.