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[FC Domains]

OK I do occasionally crack and take a dig a some of the nonsense on this board.
The days of frontier domaining have passed. The people who are making the money these days, have a business plan and are looking at percentage profits on their portfolio.

However this forum seems determined to perpetuate the impression that it's all just scams and hype. Which doesn't do the business in general any good. Maybe it's time to tidy up the act.

Face up to it.
1) There is very little of any value that is dropping and mostly these a caught by people who have put in a lot of research. The best domains never drop, they are bought by the big boys.
2) It takes considerable research to find names with potential value.
3) You can no longer hype up a useless domain and sell it here by reducing the price to only £1000. Even if you bump the topic a dozen times.
4) Lots of the reported sales for high figures, are also part of somebody's business plan and should be taken with a pinch of salt.
5) There are a huge number of drop catching scripts running. Don't expect miracles, or anything much.

I really don't see why comments are not allowed in any topic, so long as they are not of a personal nature. It might turn this board into a serious trading forum, rather than just giving visitors a good laugh.

 

[deconstruction]

i agree with the above mostly.

having said that there is still money to be made from domains dropping at the moment. sure you wont sell a lot of the names for £xx,xxx but you can still turn £6 into £300 with names dropping at the moment (for example).

And in most peoples book thats still an amazing return.

The problem is that some people either catch the total rubbish as its all they can get (better than catching nothing they probably think).

Or they catch a name woth £200 and then try and sell for £4000.

There is still gold in these hills, it just that the game has changed over the last few years....

Hope everyone has a great year!

 

[retired_member6]

I'm just glad I more than broke even in a year, that's not bad when asset building and just trundling along.

 

[deconstruction]

i think if you can amass a good strong domain portfolio over a few years and you break even doing so then all good.

 

[rob]

However this forum seems determined to perpetuate the impression that it's all just scams and hype. Which doesn't do the business in general any good. Maybe it's time to tidy up the act.

I would agree with this - however a good name will always be a good name, likewise a dubious name will always be seen as dodgy.

3) You can no longer hype up a useless domain and sell it here by reducing the price to only £1000. Even if you bump the topic a dozen times.

I dont remember a crap name going for a grand here... so not sure if it has stopped, it just never started.

4) Lots of the reported sales for high figures, are also part of somebody's business plan and should be taken with a pinch of salt.

There is a fair volume of private sales going on in .uk - generally decent traffic / generics / three letters etc that are never reported. Based on those I would say the public prices as per domainprices.co.uk etc are accurate and in some cases lower than expected as it shows industry sales rather than pure end user.

 

[rob]

There is a fair volume of private sales going on in .uk - generally decent traffic / generics / three letters etc that are never reported. Based on those I would say the public prices as per domainprices.co.uk etc are accurate and in some cases lower than expected as it shows industry sales rather than pure end user.

One further point on this - its not just pure end user sales that are high, there are domainers paying decent cash for domains as well but that is often kept quiet.

 

[deconstruction]

One further point on this - its not just pure end user sales that are high, there are domainers paying decent cash for domains as well but that is often kept quiet.

I agree 100%

 

[Edwin]

One further point on this - its not just pure end user sales that are high, there are domainers paying decent cash for domains as well but that is often kept quiet.

I agree too

 

[rob]

If you have that mindset when you are selling names rather than just when you are buying give me a shout - I will have a couple off you for £2500

I doubt you will accept as the sedo offer page on the one I just tried does say Unfortunately your offer was too low and has been rejected! Please enter an offer that at least meets the minimum price of 10,000 £

Are you being 'narrow minded' or just realise that the domain name is worth more?

If a .uk domainer has a decent name there is no obligation to take the '100% profit' by selling it for a tenner, nor sell it to a fellow domainer cheap as chips.

 

[yesterday]

If you paid £20k with much negotiation for the .com then a starting price of £25k for the .co.uk isn't far wrong IMO. (assuming the .co.uk was probably more relevant to your market?).

Not sure of your argument here.

And how do you know that the owner of the .co.uk didn't spend £20k on the domain in the first place.

The value of a domain is limited only by the price of close useable alternatives.

I had someone say that if I bought a domain for £500 I couldn't then sell it for £3k - the mark up was too much.

not like £5 to £500 then

I'm sure someone's art collection wouldn't be valued on what they paid for it either.

yesterday

 

[rob]

I'm not talking about top drawer ultra generics here, the one you probably tried cost me five-figures to buy. I'm talking about middle of the road names and at no point did I say they should be forced to sell, I said they're killing the TLD.

It makes no difference if the name was caught for £5.75 or cost £100k - the value of the domain is todays value - at least thats how I work

Customer Service has some information on the fluidity of the .uk namespace , assuming every sale requires a transfer that is

As Yesterday has said, if the .com cost £20k you would expect the .co.uk to be 'up there' price wise and without know the domain and valuations you could have got a superb deal on the .com etc.

The old one swallow making summers could be applied and its just been bad luck on this one deal for you

 

[yesterday]

ok, shield down!

I think the .co.uk is limited by the morons running the DRS.

Who in their right mind would invest alot of money in .co.uk domains if they saw the decisions and motions put forward for future regulation of the namespace.

End of investment proposition.

.de for anyone?

yesterday

 

[yesterday]

I'm not sure it is f*cked.

In the last few weeks I sold a domain:
fourwords 16 letters.
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x.co.uk

for nearly £4k

It's not £20k but the value is there.

Traffic is low but targeted. (ok. it's not as high as I'd like either!).

yesterday

 

[rob]

Rather than people getting defensive why not try and address my wider point which was that .co.uk isn't performing well either sales wise or traffic wise.

I dont think anyone is getting defensive - we can only go by the data we have and what I am saying is the public data is not showing the full picture.

From my own observations (my own purchases/sales plus clients I broker / acquire for) domain values in .uk are going up in price and this is to end users and other domainers.

 

[grantw]

I guess because .co.uk is country specific while the others are global, however from my experience .co.uk domains always get more type-in traffic than .biz/.info.

Grant

 

[rob]

Rob, I've heard it a million times before but always from people holding a large portfolio of .co.uk domains. It's an argument that can't be won, because it's not in people's interest to admit the market is f*cked.

If this is a fucked market I would love to see it going well.

 

[aquanuke]

The big question for me is why is .co.uk traffic so poor when compared even to shit tld's like .biz and .info, is there a correlation between slow over priced markets and poor traffic.

I only buy .uk's as IMO they have more targetted traffic then all the other extensions including .com

 

[yesterday]

but the 0 you get from .co.uk will be people who will buy uk ticketr's and who probably can spell

yesterday

 

[aquanuke]

Figures for Dec from Sedo

ticketr.net - 6
ticketr.org - 16
ticketr.us - 1
ticketr.info - 2
ticketr.biz - 14
ticketr.co.uk - 0

I only buy .uk's as IMO they have more targetted traffic then all the other extensions including .com

 

[rob]

But I find my best generic names get RELATIVELY poor traffic.

It depends on the domain entirely - some great generics get crap traffic, some crap names get great traffic.

The ideal combo is a generic that gets good traffic - and thats why they cost body parts.