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  1. diablo

    diablo Well-Known Member

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    Total deaths as of today for Scandinavian countries (Sweden remains only one not in lockdown):

    Sweden 870 people have died after testing positive (pop. 10.12m)

    Norway 92 (pop. 5.4m)

    Finland 48 (pop. 5.5m)

    Denmark 247 (pop 5.6m)

    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

    https://www.fhi.no/en/id/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/daily-reports/daily-reports-COVID19/

    https://thl.fi/fi/web/infektiotaudi...esta-covid-19/tilannekatsaus-koronaviruksesta

    https://www.ssi.dk/aktuelt/sygdomsudbrud/coronavirus
     
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  3. starbird United Kingdom

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    The BBC reported 938 deaths today, saying it was record. It isn't, among that total are deaths from the 1st of April til the 8th and this is even mentioned on their site. Don't trust the BBC useless reporting at best.

    Here is an update they had today
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    BREAKING Further 866 deaths announced in England
    NHS England has announced 866 further deaths of people who had tested positive for Covid-19.

    It brings the total number of confirmed deaths in hospitals in England to 8,114.

    Of the new deaths announced today, 117 occurred on 9 April, 720 between 1 April and 8 April, and 29 in March.

    720 between the 1st and 8th April
     
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  4. diablo

    diablo Well-Known Member

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    The UK daily figures are now all over the place and are no longer of any value, particularly for use in comparisons.

    Today's figure of 117 deaths in England in the last 24 hours should be a cause for celebration, but instead the BBC ignores the detail and runs with a "record" deaths headline.

    The BBC is a shadow of its former self tbh.
     
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    What should worry you immensely is that we're seeing huge numbers of deaths (total for all deaths in hospital is now 8,958) even though a lot of those are deaths that happens weeks ago but which are only being reported now. It's not great news that many of the deaths didn't happen in the last 24 hours, it's appalling news. If the reporting were keeping up in real time, we'd know the full extent of the coronavirus' ravages. As it is, we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

    In other words, since we know we are definitely at a much worse stage of the pandemic now than a couple of weeks ago, we can expect the numbers of deaths that are happening right now to be even more horrific than the already startling figures, once all the reports finally catch up (late April/early May, or whenever all the data is collated).

    And that's even before you consider the coronavirus-related deaths outside of hospitals i.e. in nursing homes, care homes and at home.
     
  6. BREWSTERS United Kingdom

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    As noted in earlier posts (and links provided), doctors in the US and UK are being instructed to state CV 19 as main cause of death...even if it's not...even if the victim is only suspected of having it. And how can it be suspected when none of the symptoms are unique to CV 19, or even a group of symptoms?

    The fact that when extrapolated, the death figures for Norway, Finland and Denmark - as noted by @diablo are several times lower that the UK, suggests that doctors in those countries aren't under the same pressure to fudge the numbers as our's are. Possible reason for that is that they are compliant in other ways; ie Denmark has stated that when a vaccine is available, it will be compulsory. And, they've made it illegal for anyone to offer any information that doesn't agree with the government line. That's East Germany before the wall came down...that's China today, and it's on our doorstep.

    Another thing...when did a software engineer's opinion on health issues trump specialist's who have worked in this field all their lives? Bill Gates may have funded Event 201, and may want to vaccinate the whole world (but not his own family), and may be the second biggest funder to the WHO...but that doesn't make him an expert. You can own the best racehorse, but that doesn't make you the best trainer.

    That said...he does stand to make a huge amount of money from it...and he is an expert at that. And he's added his name to the list of scumbags who are calling for one world government.

    Also, lol -
     
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    Just to let you know my mate is home from hospital after surviving Covid 19, remarkable, one lung, a drain on each kidney, catheter and had bladder cancer over 18 months ago, he's recovering well.
    Had some sad news a couple of hours ago, my daughters friends mother died this afternoon, at home, under self isolation. At the house was the mum (Mid 40's) the daughter (18) and son (12), the mum was a cancer nurse. very,very sad indeed.
     
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    Fantastic that your mate pulled through! So sorry to hear about yout daughters friends mother though :(. It seem like you can never tell how this is going to affect people, other than in a broad sense.
     
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    He will not vaccinate his own children?

    I'm guessing you refer to an article posted on a 'conspiracy/fake news' website that has had multiple articled debunked in the past. An article that provided not even a slice of evidence of it being true. Said website having to change domain names because they were consistently proven to be writing lies and made up information for traffic/views?
     
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    Maybe. Or maybe it's because those countries went into lockdown before the UK did.

    Denmark 11 March
    Norway 12th March
    Finland 16th March
    UK 25th March
     
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    Your data here is slightly inaccurate..;) .the UK on the 25th went into 'Lockdownish', it has never gone into proper 'Lockdown'

     
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    1. I don't know which site you're referring to...but there are lots of sites which report it anyway.

    2. De-bunking is a joke...it boils down to which source we believe. So pointless getting into a discussion.
     
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    It was 24 Mar 20 - I was supposed to collect my new motorbike that day, but the dealership had to close. I got an email from them at 9.30pm on the 23rd saying they'd be shut.

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    Anyone remember me saying that this is to pave the way for a new economic system, as called for by Prince Charles and others at Davos?
     
  14. Trauiner United Kingdom

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    There was only one site that reported it. A known fraudulent information website. The other websites that discussed it purely were stating that the website in question.

    We would have to agree to disagree on the whole debunking thing. Saying debunking is a joke removes virtually everything from being a fact-finding mission and turns it into a 'I'll believe whatever aligns with my thoughts' situation.

    I just never understand why people like yourself post full-on conspiracy information consistently without ever researching or digging into what you're promoting as some sort of fact or valid information. It's dangerous.
     
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    Day out. Point still stands. No Scandinavian country has been in full lockdown either. All went into lockdownish.
     
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    Maybe - but if so, then how is it that the deaths ratio between UK and Sweden is getting wider?

    Early last week the extrapolated ratio showed that Sweden had over 67% of the number of deaths as the UK.

    This morning that is down to just over 62%.

    By any reasoning, this doesn't make sense if house arrest is effective. The only reasons that I can think of are;

    1. Sweden has better healthcare (I don't believe so).

    2. The UK are artificially boosting the numbers by including 'presumed positive' cases (highly likely IMO given the directives being passed down in the US) or by double counting cases - possible given the daily figures that include deaths going back weeks...how is it only now that deaths from weeks ago are being included when decisions are being made based on these figures that will drastically, negatively effect tens of millions of us in the UK? Aren't these numbers of vital importance?*

    3. Sweden are artificially reducing the numbers of deaths (unlikely IMO).


    * Or are these deaths going back days and weeks that are just being included, of patients who have had autopsys and it's been judged to be that main cause of death? I can understand a day or two's delay, but 3 days or more? The autopsy theory would account for these longer delays. It would mean that the number of UK deaths is a fraction of the headline numbers we're fed every day. And, it would reverse the ratio between Sweden and the UK dramatically (and put the UK more in line with the other Scandi countries.


    My local health authority used to give an update daily or every other day on their website - that was stopped and replaced with the below, making it impossible to cross reference against the death figures by Trust;

    Due to the way NHS England/Improvement announce the figures relating to COVID-19 cases, we are unable to provide any further details to those announced each day at 2pm. NHS England announce the figures on the following web link. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/.
     
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    Let's be honest here, all the data is inaccurate regarding deaths. Look at the way they word the deaths. xxx people died today and tested positive for coronavirus. Then you very occasionally see a death quoting covid-19 as the cause. In the US many cases are marked as coronavirus when they may not be, why, insurance reasons. If people have coronavirus those with no insurance get free treatment.

    The tests are flawed, South Korea say they have seen those testing negative getting positive results. This is a sure sign testing isn't up to scratch or the testing wasn't carried out properly in the first place.
     
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    Comparing the UK's daily death rates with any other country is now nonsensical. Daily UK figures are now all over the place.

    As has already been discussed above, yesterday's "record" high death rate in the UK was largely made up of historical deaths not those that occurred in a 24 hour period.

    Maybe another reason for the UK's high death rate is our simple lack of preparedness for a pandemic.

     
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    This is about the guy who wants to rush a vaccine to market
     
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    Ah yes, TheBL, that famously trustworthy source...
    https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/11/12/bl-fake-profiles/
    https://www.secjuice.com/misinformation-coordinated-inauthentic-behavior/
    https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/10/11/pro-trump-outlet-linked-epoch-times/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/business/facebook-ai-generated-profiles.html
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...oes-Epoch-Times-linked-pages-for-astroturfing

    There's a well-known acronym in computing: GIGO. Garbage in, Garbage Out.It should apply to sources of "news" too.

    This is why it's literally impossible to discuss anything with you in a reasoned way.
     
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    LOL...and you’re quoting snopes...priceless!
    And as always ignore the content and attack the medium...every time.

    You know Imperial College right? And their part in all of this, ie it’s their modelling that means we’re under house arrest? Did you know Bill Gates has donated over $200m to them in recent years? And he’s also the 2nd biggest funder to the WHO.
    I guess you get what you pay for eh?
    We can agree with one thing though...rubbish in rubbish out.
     
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