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  1. websaway United Kingdom

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    It's time for everybody to get back to work wearing masks. Come on now, the economic fall out has to be taken more seriously than the danger of young healthy people wearing masks dying of the virus. I think social distancing should be left to common sense if people are by law required to wear masks in confined spaces. Queuing outside shops in the future is ludicrous so time to wear masks and get back to work.
     
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  3. Trauiner United Kingdom

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    There will never be a law for people in the UK to wear masks. We can't currently even meet the demand for keyworkers to have enough masks, let alone most of the UK public needing them.

    People underestimate how many masks would be needed. It's not one mask per person.
     
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    Are you serious, If supply was the problem there would be no problem. It's the desire to do it that is missing. I can see everyone's point of view but this economic meltdown is simply not a solution.
     
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    Supply is a major problem at the moment and one that isn't being solved right now.

    You go and try to buy 60,000 masks right now. It's impossible unless you're back-ordering weeks in advance at a minimum.

    I agree with you on the economic situation. We've swapped one major problem for multiple other major problems which will come after the fact.
     
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    Masks are compulsory here in Andorra and in Spain. It's the norm. Although I think people who drive solo and wear them are daft, its like wearing a condom and not having sex.
     
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    Try it Steve. You don't know what you're missing :D
     
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    Shrink wrapping.... I'll pass
     
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    Hertz have filed for bankrupty

    Didn't take much time did it
     
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    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-shearings-collapses-with-loss-of-2500-jobs-11992922 Shearings the other day too. They specialise in group OAP trips and hotel stays, so that will have a knock on effect on hotels.

    It's a weird time because it's reasonable to think that things will get much worse for companies before they get better, and that while feasibly things covid-19 might be a thing of the past in a year or so (or at least not terrifying the elderly and vulnerable), so many companies will be unable to hang on for that to come about. It won't look pretty when the furlough scheme ends. So many people will be let go.
     
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    Common sense prevails ;)
     
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    I think the best policy at present is continued social distancing *and* wear facemasks in temporary situations where you might be close to people (such as if you *have* to take a journey on public transport, or in supermarket aisles).

    The facemasks policy will need to allow home-made facemasks which may reduce danger to others if you sneeze/cough, but will not prevent you catching the virus. The simple fact is there are nowhere near enough medical grade facemasks to provide everyone with daily masks. So facemasks are a *part* of an approach to try to avoid further spread, but by themselves they may not be enough.

    We are not yet 3 weeks out of the gradual escape from lockdown. So we need to see whether deaths start rising again when the new cycle begins. Further relaxation of the lockdown may then need to be measured (again, from 3 weeks later).

    Let's hope, even with localised blips, that we can keep the outbreak under control.

    I can assure you there are still many people catching this virus and suffering serious symptoms. I'm encouraged but it's not over yet.

    The other serious concern I have, as a clinician, is the near collapse of services for people with (for example) moderate cardiac problems or need for operations. The backlog is huge and no-one can deny that there are going to be significant numbers of deaths from this reduction in services.

    Part of the tail of this virus is going to be both the economic impacts on health (and the morbidities of poverty), and this trail of people who needed medical monitoring and interventions which were postponed and delayed.

    The situation is undeniably complex, but what I know first-hand is that people are still teetering on the brink of life and death with this virus, and they have to be helped, and because of all the other consequences of this virus (which I just mentioned) what we mustn't do is let this virus run away again.

    Any kind of gung-ho and macho approach to this virus will only end up exacerbating the problems (hello Brazil). I think it needs to be patient, calm, slow and steady. getting 'R' down to, say, 0.2 would make it far easier to contain outbreaks and track and trace. At that point, yes, we start to win and get back to some kind of new normal. At present the public is pushing the limits: if people think we're out of the woods and can all just mix again, I fear they are wrong.
     
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    We could produce ammunition gas masks planes and tanks in the war. We could not manufacture masks to stop person to person transmission of the virus. We had all the " expert" opinions as to why we should not wear masks even though common sense told us if a mask reduced giving someone else the virus it must by definition reduce the risk of someone catching the virus by a mask wearer. And what about the economy, I don't think ordinary joe who has only been on the planer for the last 35 years or less really grasps the economic downside of this episode and the human cost to come.
     
  15. Siusaidh United Kingdom

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    I agree with you that it would have been better to get people wearing facemasks sooner. It would have saved some lives.

    I suppose the counter argument that could be presented is that it would have given people a false sense of security, and as a result they might have been more relaxed about social distancing.

    The sort of facemasks most of the public will have access to (or can improvise) are not some kind of ray gun safety shield. The thin paper masks you often see people wearing are better than nothing, because if they sneeze fewer droplets will infect other people, but as a protection they reduce but do not remove the risk of catching the virus.

    Let's hope people are sensible about wearing facemasks if they do so now, and still try to keep their distance.

    I agree about the human cost to come.
     
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    Terrible to see thousands packed shoulder to shoulder in parliament square today, they risk bringing the virus back to their grandparents. How irresponsible . Also risk a further lockdown, clearly only a cause matters not really lives.:confused:
     
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    The scientific evidence is all over the place they cannot agree on anything, looks like the government is just making most of this up as they go along now.

    I can't understand why theres not more outrage.
     
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    Because any criticism of the Government instantly makes you a liberal lefty snowflake who is trying to prevent Brexit, and that Jeremy Corbyn would have done a worse job if he was voted in.
     
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    Doesn't that somewhat make sense?

    If the scientific evidence is all over the place, you have to go with something, in a an unknown situation. In a unknown situation you do normally kind of make it up as you go along, based on what information you choose to listen to. That does ultimately mean you will be wrong sometimes and right sometimes.
     
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    There are several videos on YouTube of Chris Whitty giving lectures at Gresham College over a year ago where he says that a global pandemic is imminent, it will be the next killer and he goes through the science of it.

    It's not an 'unknown situation', it's one that was predicted and the science has played out as expected. What wasn't mentioned is the economic impact which seems to be dictating the current situation.
     
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  21. Siusaidh United Kingdom

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    As a healthcare professional, what I'd like to know is, if it was expected, why was it not prepared for?
     
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