Registration to Monetisation In 24Hrs Pls

[WalkinDude]

Some serious skills here. Love Alien's web knockups, been thinking [only a newbie so stand to be told off yet again], would like to be able to register, jump into a Forum where I can get a template based [bespoke logo] knocked up, jump into another Forum to get instant SEO, and put said web on the market within 24hrs, all without fuss pls. Thinking a sort of Shiply style system right in here?

Pls share thoughts, constructive ones. Ta.

 

[retired_member36]

Personally ive give up with quick build sites.

They never seem to rank as well as those you have taken your time to research, build and add quality content on a regular basis. Often mini sites are built on the hope of earning you a few extra quid and from my personal experience they are often built on topics which you have no passion for, which means you get bored and lose interest very easy!

As i was stuck for time i had some sites / content done for me which was spot on but getting them to rank was a lot harder than i thought, i weighed up how long it would take to earn my money back and realised it just wasnt worth it. I cut my losses and now only focus on sites that interest me (Karting).

Sorry for the negative reply

Lee

 

[PoshTiger]

Well I seem to be one of the only people still working on mini sites to get my passive income up...

My latest project is to rank an EMD with just directory links - I'm #9 in google at the moment with that one.

I'm a good all rounder so I can catch a domain, knock up a site, create content and SEO all myself so the cost is pretty much zero.

I'm going for adsense & volume so my EMDs tend to have 10k+ exacts local and 50K+ global but with low CPC and low competition... instead of going for 4/5 x £2 clicks per day, I'm going for 15/20 x £.50p clicks.

Saying that - it's a long term project and I've only just started so I'm only on around £30 per month at the moment but I'm going to stick at it.

If I were you, I'd learn how to do it yourself - it's not that tricky and it stacks up financially.

 

[cc976a]

All do-able, just have to carry this out the right way.

The problem you have is not to get a website, with basic SEO, live in 24 hours (that's the easy bit). The far harder part is getting traffic in and them spending money in 24 hours (instant SEO only) - or clicking on your adsense ads.

I'm not going to say getting traffic within 24 hours via the search engines is not possible because it is - (I've done so in the past fortnight and had 75 uniques on the strength of - not earth shattering in 8th place for targeted keyword, but as it increases so will visitors and revenue).

Figure a way of getting overnight visitors without cost and this time next year you could be a millionaire.

 

[namdas]

I'm a good all rounder so I can catch a domain, knock up a site, create content and SEO all myself so the cost is pretty much zero.

The cost is not zero, the cost is your time. Even if you only pay yourself minimum wage 24hrs = £120. If you pay yourself even a very basic £15 as an IT contractor 24hrs = £360. Yes mini sites take comparitively very little time but they also make comparitively very little money. How long does it take to earn back that £400? What else could you be doing with your time that would be more productive?

And if you can command a higer rate for your time you will find you don't need to work as much time - leaving you more time to go out and play in the sunshine, spend with your family or anything else you fancy.

 

[PoshTiger]

True but some people (like me) actually enjoy building and ranking sites.. It's like putting a jigsaw puzzle together.

I generally do this in the evening when the kids are in bed or as a time filler - it's better than sitting around watching the dross that's on TV at the moment.

 

[EdwinEdwin is verified member.]

The "time value" of your time is indeed key - I see so many sites for sale on Sitepoint, Flippa etc. where they allegedly made a "profit" of a few £hundred to a few £thousand in a year, but when you crunch the numbers in terms of hours-per-week that the owners spent updating them, it works out to well under minimum wage.

So it's important if you want to ever sell what you've built, but it's also important when you consider the "opportunity cost" i.e. could you have done something more rewarding with the same time. That's regardless of whether that reward is actual cash or something more emotionally/psychologically rewarding like reading a great book, playing with your kids etc. Would you "pay" a pound or so an hour to buy yourself more free time to do the stuff you love? If so, and if that's what your efforts work out as, then...

 

[Blossom]

True but some people (like me) actually enjoy building and ranking sites.. It's like putting a jigsaw puzzle together.

I generally do this in the evening when the kids are in bed or as a time filler - it's better than sitting around watching the dross that's on TV at the moment.

Exactly.

it's also important when you consider the "opportunity cost" i.e. could you have done something more rewarding with the same time. That's regardless of whether that reward is actual cash or something more emotionally/psychologically rewarding like reading a great book, playing with your kids etc.

But for some of us geeks, it's an alternative to reading a great book; it's a hobby just like any other. It just happens to be a hobby where you can make money doing something you enjoy. I don't criticise people for watching TV because they don't earn any money whilst they're doing it.

 

[Adem]

I have been building minisites in my spare time and usually design and write all the content personally so my outgoings are minimal. Yes it takes my time, but I already have a full time job so this is my spare time and all income is extra, whilst I wouldn't consider getting another paid job on top of my full-time job.

It's very easy to knock up a quick site and I once I have a good EMD I will try and get content etc on there as soon as possible and then see how I rank and how much traffic I get.

It's a waiting game but after a few weeks I will know whether the site has potential or not. If it isn't getting any traffic then I will decide whether it is worth the extra effort and if not I'll leave it as it is. If I'm getting traffic then it's time to add more content and get the site ranking higher as it has potential to earn.

It's definitely a long term game and you won't be earning after 24 hours, but it's a good way to get reglular income if you combine the revenue from all the sites.

 

[WalkinDude]

Made a mistake in using the word Monetisation, don't think you can go from registration to earning money within 24 hours, meant sellability within 24hrs. Was looking at Aliens mini sites some of which he is shifting for around the £70 mark, very attractive pricing to the general public in my view, and well it's £6 for a domain, can't see why it should take someone with relevant experience more than 2 hours to knock up a mini site that offers some sort of basic functionality affiliate income potential, and hour or so for another expert SEO said website. Production line if you like.

£15 per hour call it 4 hours, plus cost of the domain, hosting assumed, and thinking around £70 per site up for sale within 24 hours.

I'm assuming in this economy there's plenty of people with these basic skill sets who might offer these services for around the £15 per hour mark. Saw far more complex offers for around £40 not so long ago in here, content writing at £6 per 500 words etc. Talking about a forum dedicated to this.

Would like to be able to register and have a SEO'd site up with credible earning potential up within 24hrs that I can market for sale.

Can it be done, and secondly can it be done right through acorn?

 

[Blossom]

The hardest part is finding a market with the demand, especially in the long term.

Buying services here is definitely a good idea; selling-wise on Acorn you might get lucky with one or two but it's unlikely to have ongoing success. There are too many people with better names who can knock up their own for the same price/cheaper.

People do it all the time on Flippa, you might be able to tap into it but as far as I can see it's mostly service sites set up to offer Facebook Likes, Google +1s etc. that seem to consistently sell without income.

You'd have to have a specific angle of some kind and a very persuasive listing. Unless you can tap into a new market, stick to .com/.net/.org.

 

[Jamie101]

I'm sure it would be possible to get a whole website done (design, content and some basic SEO) here on Acorn for a decent price and then sell it on for more. However, how much time would you spend finding a buyer for the site, transferring the site/domain over them etc. ?

Probably wouldn't be worth it if you weren't making much of a profit. Don't think anyone on Acorn would buy it from you unless it was quite cheap.

 

[WalkinDude]

I agree you can't sell potatoes to potato farmers. The sites would be sold to end users. As the economy tanks more people will have to seek more niche income opportunities, mostly local i'd imagine and the most efficient way to promote and admin is via a website and these folks don't want to get involved in web building and SEO, rest comes down to pricing in my view.

Love this quote from someone in here other day. He said 'if I buy a domain and it tanks at least I've got something to show for it as opposed to betting that fiver down at the bookies'...

Or words to that effect. Works just as well if you swap the word domain for 'website'.

This is the message domainers need to marketing to end users in my view. Myriad domaineers fighting for bigger slice of the same cake, or why not just make the cake bigger?

 

[Sussexite]

I agree you can't sell potatoes to potato farmers.

But you can if you turn them into crisps.

 

[Blossom]

I agree you can't sell potatoes to potato farmers. The sites would be sold to end users. As the economy tanks more people will have to seek more niche income opportunities, mostly local i'd imagine and the most efficient way to promote and admin is via a website and these folks don't want to get involved in web building and SEO, rest comes down to pricing in my view.

I think you're assuming too much. At the moment you can divide it into three:

a) those who don't have any kind of website and/or sell via Facebook and eBay (i.e. people who don't want an ongoing cost such as web hosting and/or think they lack the knowledge to run a website).

b) those who pay for sites to be set up (mostly overseas if they're money-conscious, and almost always stemming from their own market/keyword research rather than having that determined for them).

c) those who build their own.

So you've got two areas to rule out immediately, and a possibility of b) but as I said, it's a case of actually finding people. Most money-conscious people will google how to create a website and then read lots of niche marketing forums and blogs. There's a small market on Flippa but most without any earnings at all tend to get ignored unless there's a very persuasive and well-marketed listing.

You keep talking about opening the market up, but without any practical ideas behind it. It's not just inevitable because of the economy; the economy has been shit for the average UKer for four years now. What you're saying is nothing new; people have been saying the market will open up for at least ten years and it still isn't happening. So let's hear your ideas on that instead.

Personally, I think the model likely to be most successful is the higher-end tier. I know someone whose starting price for an app is £15k. Not only do you get better clients, you aren't dividing your time between too many different clients and projects, and you have less chance of working with people who will complain or need their hand holding.

 

[cc976a]

Opening this service up to end users is not going to work IMO

No knowledge, understanding, limited to one domain (personal choice) etc.... - the only ones viable are domainers that can see the potential and do the maths (exacts + possibility + CPC + conversions etc...)

Unless you hold a magic key that can market and convince 'end users'

What your suggesting has been done a few times on here, limited and can earn but perhaps not sustainable (unless you can tout your wares on eBay and Flippa)

 

[WalkinDude]

Convince end users to spend their money on a viable and credible ready made website suitable for their actual economic skill sets in a collapsing economy as opposed to p'ssing their money up the wall envelope opening/forex/pyramid schemes etc.

Fact end users spend their money on all of this other rubbish suggests to me this is viable. And screw facebook which is itself one giant pyramid. There's end users out who would actually like to own what they are paying for. There's no reason a website if priced right can't be as spontaneous a buy as anything else we spend Mobile Phone handset sort of money on.

 

[Blossom]

Convince end users to spend their money on a viable and credible ready made website suitable for their actual economic skill sets in a collapsing economy as opposed to p'ssing their money up the wall envelope opening/forex/pyramid schemes etc.

Yes, because the first thing they will say to you is 'I can set up a website for free, why should I pay you £70 plus ongoing costs of £X/month hosting with no guarantee I'll get anything back?'

Alternatively it will be, 'I don't know how to manage a website or what to do if something goes wrong'. The first person they contact when they need anything will be you. And they won't be able to afford support.

Fact end users spend their money on all of this other rubbish suggests to me this is viable.

Not saying it's not viable. It's just going to be more work than you think, and you're better off finding exactly where your market is and strategise marketing to them before thinking about creating a website to present it, setting up sites to sell etc.

There's no reason a website if priced right can't be as spontaneous a buy as anything else we spend Mobile Phone handset sort of money on.

Requires ongoing cost and some knowledge. It's the ongoing cost that's often the biggest issue for these people.


What you're basically saying is that you want to sell something pretty complex to people who can't afford it under the illusion they're going to make money. May as well buy a scratchcard; the buyer has a similar chance of making money from something like this. They will need to know how Google works and have a basic understanding of SEO to stand any chance (even if it's just to stop themselves triggering an instant penalty rather than trying to increase their rankings). There's no proof of earnings; there are hundreds of sites that fail to sell every day based on that alone. You will get grief from people who have expected to get rich overnight and earn nothing in a year. If you really had that much faith in it you would be making these sites and keeping the money for yourself (better have an answer to that question because it's going to be asked a lot).

Are you going to post how you get on on Acorn? Will be interesting to follow.

 

[WalkinDude]

You seem to be in the tunnel of affiliate and other pro domaineering monetisation routes. There are millions of people with skill sets, as PREVIOUSLY stated they can offer locally, and may only need 20 local customers to become totally viable. As stated a website is the the most economical way to admin such local cottage businesses. Cheaper than endless ads in the local papers, more professional and versatile than facebook etc. They don't need to be domain experts cos set up correctly won't be much harder than using Word, and annual running costs can be well under £20 a year.

No wonder everything so utterly pedestrian in in the domain market when this is the mindset. There is a need out there, a need to channel local money way from the big corporations and KEEP IT LOCAL and this is the way to do it, and the UK domain industry should be providing the solutions, not have it's head stuffed firmly up Google and Facebook's backside imho.



Ta.

 

[cc976a]

Yes but you have to have that domain, in that niche, with a built website for £70, targeting to that guy in that town who has those skills and services to target their offerings to those 20 people - it's too narrow or random.

Perhaps the years of commercial business experience has made me blinkered and too close to the next idea that's outside my radar - or perhaps those years have taught me a thing or two about expectations and reaction.

I ran a web design business for 5 years before selling to a larger agency - you're £20 a year support figure is absolutely and wildly under-estimated.

Really what this should be is a standard web design business - not pre-packaged site.