September .uk drop discussion

[Murray]

Crazy when you think about it, these domains was taken from someone else's account and put into your account without any kind of verification or approval... to me that theft but i guess if someone is exploiting the terms and conditions then who knows.

Maybe someone more well versed in law and t&c can clarify but currently it seems very simple

You agree to the registrar agreement and Nominets t&c which are

E.3.6. You may, no earlier than 30 days after the expiry of a domain name on an Accredited
Channel Partner Tag, take steps to transfer the domain name into your name, provided that you
have previously informed the Registrant that you intend to do this and obtained their explicit
consent to your doing so. Such consent must be obtained no earlier than 30 days before the
date on which the domain name is due to expire, and no later than 30 days after the date on
which the domain name expired. Even if you transfer a domain name in these circumstances,
the original Registrant of the domain name must always retain the right to renew the domain
name in question as set out in paragraph B.1.13 above. You may not transfer a domain name
into the name of a third party under this paragraph

Unless they can prove they had the registrants explicit consent these transfers should not stand and actions should be taken under the sanctions section

https://media.nominet.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Registrar-Agreement-Redline-FINAL.pdf

 

[Hay]

@signature - Very well said..

What people don't see and dont understand or perhaps the do but they don't want to admit it because if they admit it then they are giving credit, however, what people don't see is the amount of hard work, time, effort, and money that goes into this behind the scenes.

You have the costs for servers, infrastructure and remember this is not a job until you catch a domain and sell that domain but until that point, you are not making a single penny so all the money, time, and effort spent on catching is basically non rewarded until the time comes (if it ever does come and even if you do catch a domain it could take 10 years to sell that domain).

I spent days upon days working 24 hours round the clock, sometimes sleeping in my office chair at my office desk coding long until the early hours of the morning while most others are fast asleep or enjoying time with the partners, family, and friends ect ect.

Only a handful of people on here will appreciate and understand the amount of work this takes, not just hours of coding but months of coding... Others on here can't comprehend that and don't fully understand it, in fact if they see it in person they would think you are mad but in reality, those that dedicate every second of their time to something is likely going to do better than those that dedicate a few hours here and there... that's just life.

Realistically it took me 12 solid months of coding, and honestly sleeping in my office chair for days on end in order to compete with Denys, Rob and others... there has been many times i cant compete and some times i can compete like you say new people will come along in the future and beat all of us... Again thats life.

However that all being said... i can give people respect for winning via code and skills but what i cant do is give someone respect for stealing domains regardless if its a loophole or not... this Fasthosts thing is taking things to a whole different level.

 

[Gill]

Maybe someone more well versed in law and t&c can clarify but currently it seems very simple

You agree to the registrar agreement and Nominets t&c which are

E.3.6. You may, no earlier than 30 days after the expiry of a domain name on an Accredited
Channel Partner Tag, take steps to transfer the domain name into your name, provided that you
have previously informed the Registrant that you intend to do this and obtained their explicit
consent to your doing so. Such consent must be obtained no earlier than 30 days before the
date on which the domain name is due to expire, and no later than 30 days after the date on
which the domain name expired. Even if you transfer a domain name in these circumstances,
the original Registrant of the domain name must always retain the right to renew the domain
name in question as set out in paragraph B.1.13 above. You may not transfer a domain name
into the name of a third party under this paragraph

Unless they can prove they had the registrants explicit consent these transfers should not stand and actions should be taken under the sanctions section

https://media.nominet.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Registrar-Agreement-Redline-FINAL.pdf

I was playing devils advocate, they've probably all been taken without consent - I'm reticent to use the word illegally because I don't believe this is getting anywhere near a court of law. It's just someone being naughty and spoiling the fun of a few dreamers.

 

[Ben Thomas]

What is the Fasthosts loophole then? First time I'm hearing about this?

 

[ian]

Might be more an issue if the customer can fool the system and process all this automatically. From what I've read, an employee has to approve this.

I'm probably wrong, but wouldn't the contract in dispute be between the customer and Fasthosts and therefore their terms apply. If this is easy for anyone to do, then they don't necessarily have any association or knowledge of Nominet. No legal head here so that is my last on the subject.

 

[DesD]

Can we get back to playing ‘spot the Nominet Director in the thread?’ They feel like good days now!

 

[Ben Thomas]

Looks unlikely that it was done this way? Unless patched

 

[Hay]

@Ben Thomas thats because someone has already booked that domain

 

[Ben Thomas]

@Ben Thomas thats because someone has already booked that domain

I see, you mean back ordered with Fasthosts themselves?

 

[Hay]

No, they have already added that domain to be transferred/stolen and placed into their account... I would strongly advise you dont get involved because Nominet are aware of this and are working out of hours to investigate it... but its up to you, choose a different domain and the response will be different if that domain has not already been selected by another thief.

 

[Ben Thomas]

No, they have already added that domain to be transferred/stolen and placed into their account... I would strongly advise you dont get involved because Nominet are aware of this and are working out of hours to investigate it... but its up to you, choose a different domain and the response will be different if that domain has not already been selected by another thief.

No, I'm not interested in stealing anybody's domains. I just think it's crazy how such a large registrar can be so fucking complacent LOL

 

[DJ]

Nominet might reconsider the auction route after all of this nonsense.

 

[isurveyor]

Nominet might reconsider the auction route after all of this nonsense.

But surely with this issue, they would never make it to auction.

 

[Ben Thomas]

Nominet might reconsider the auction route after all of this nonsense.

Perhaps it's a set up

 

[DJ]

But surely with this issue, they would never make it to auction.

They could lock the domain for the last 7 days in preparation of the auction start. You can imagine what their offices will be like on Monday with all the complaints

 

[DJ]

yummy.uk literally just got renewed - here's looking at you @Ben Thomas .

 

[Phillip]

Well, since I generate income and run business in this industry it does concern me. The the fullest extent. What does or does not concern me isn’t for you to decide young Benjamin. And since it’s Saturday, playing with my dog is exactly what I plan on doing

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Have a jolly good day.

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[signature]

tct.uk
trm.uk
trident.uk
yummy.uk

Add to the renewed ones.

Also, Recruitment .uk looks like to join the list, I know a lot of are chasing this one but check the Whois and see date of last modification. May be it will still drop but not sure and a bit worried that DAC will be waste on this and who is bold enough to chance it my just end up getting the domain.

Update:
recruitment .uk dropped and caught before it was renewed..

 

[DJ]

tct.uk
trm.uk
trident.uk
yummy.uk

Add to the renewed ones.

Also, Recruitment .uk looks like to join the list, I know a lot of are chasing this one but check the Whois and see date of last modification. May be it will still drop but not sure and a bit worried that DAC will be waste on this and who is bold enough to chance it my just end up getting the domain.

https://www.nominet.uk/whois/?query=recruitment.uk

The who is data would certainly suggest it is about to be renewed. Hopefully it will drop before they are able to.

 

[Hay]

@StudioVision was SocialMediaAgency.uk a hand registered domain? I see it dropped on the 6th and you picked it up on the 9th and now its at £750, people are in a bidding frenzy