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September .uk drop discussion

Discussion in 'Drop catching Domain Names' started by Murray, Sep 3, 2020.

  1. ian

    ian Well-Known Member

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    Yep, what I mean is that the owner will be assigned, but I would guess that Fasthosts threw in a condition that the owner of the .co.uk had to request the .uk in order for it to appear in their control panel, else Fasthosts have custody in accordance with terms I think you quoted a few pages back. I speculate entirely that unless someone knows first hand and can confirm, that the .uk's never appeared in the registrants control panel, and they would have to tick a box to accept. I'm hoping this has only been possible on ROR domains and Fasthosts won't allow this on every suspended domain they manage.

    Just to add again, domains remain in the name of the registrant (GDPR issue right there) until otherwise transferred away or changed via tag. Those reported as moving today may now have new registrant details on them.
     
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  3. Murray

    Murray Well-Known Member

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    What about in their Nominet account?
     
  4. ian

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    Only if the domain had the registrants contact information; not just name. For all we know, Fasthosts had a term that meant they remained the contact until accepted by the registrant. Just guessing, but hope that makes sense?

    Note - most of these registrants won't know who Nominet is, let alone they have an account.
     
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    The .uk would have had to have been regged in the same ownership and email details as the .co.uk owner. So for a brief period of time, it would have also been in their Nominet account too.
     
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  7. ian

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    That's a good point, email addresses were a validation method unless they had some shady agreement with Nominet! Still think Fasthosts would have added in some condition that the registrant didn't own the domain until accepted into their control panel for renewals, which gives them flexibility to move domains rather than expire, but again, unless we know someone that has an unclaimed .uk, which is unlikely, we don't know for sure.
     
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  8. Murray

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    But the domain had to be registered to the details of the co.uk registrant

    The co.uk had plenty of time to claim their .uk domain is they so wished

    The domain would have been in their name and in their Nominet account

    Why would not adding a domain to a customer account give a registrar any right to it? they would have to give explicit consent to it being transferred

    6. You may, no earlier than 30 days after the expiry of a domain name on an Accredited Channel Partner Tag, take steps to transfer the domain name into your name

    They can't have registered the domains to the customers then transferred them to themselves, well I guess they could but it wouldn't be in line with Nominets t&c
     
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    Fasthosts T&Cs

    "For UK domain names the transfer of ownership can be actioned via the Our control panel by the person named as account contact at the time the controlling account was secured who shall be deemed the designate of the Registrant with the authority to manage the domain name. The registrant shall be required to agree, in writing to be bound by these terms and conditions."
     
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    When trust in Nominet is at a low, I don't understand why they haven't made an announcement about this mess. I'm assuming they are hoping people will forget about it/move on.
     
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    I am not doubting for one minute that what you have done isn't all above board. However, the vagueness of your responses is bound to lead to suspicion - especially as you are usually very vocal. So I imagine that is why people are starting to raise questions and point the finger.
     
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  14. Murray

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    If I had participated in this (I haven't)

    I would hold my hands up and say I was very naive, I trusted what the support team were saying

    I would concede that being a registrar myself I should know the t&c, or at very least I should have thought to double check them before proceeding

    Being naive however isn't a defence, any repercussions including damage to my reputation or standing as a Nominet registrar would be deserved.

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    I wouldn't personally hold it against anyone for being naive but passing the buck is very unsavoury; how can you learn from your mistakes if you can't even admit to them
     
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    Add shoes.uk to the list of suspicious last minute renewals
    Registrant details were changed today:
     
  16. ian

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    shoes.uk just renewed. I just hope a genuine renewal for this one as it wasn't an ROR domain.
     
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    There are a number of org.uk's selling on DL, I'd send shoes.org.uk to auction if someone wants to make an advance bid on there.
     
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    I did think that was going to happen, I spotted it yesterday and thought here we go!:eek:
     
  19. ian

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    Hope Nominet didn't tell you the name of the owner, that would be an entirely seperate complaint lol
     
  20. webber

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    At least one domain renewed this way had fake registrant contact details: company name matching the .co.uk, but fake individual name and address with the telephone number for Leaders Estate Agents ;)
    These need to be properly investigated and monitored by Nominet.

    I would expect the registrant of shoes.co.uk and shoes.uk to be Shoes.co.uk Ltd as stated at http://www.shoes.co.uk/privacy-policy-i51 (ICO data controller registration number Z9535115)
     
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    yep. I got a catcher email saying no longer available.