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September .uk drop discussion

Discussion in 'Drop catching Domain Names' started by Murray, Sep 3, 2020.

  1. DJ Wood United Kingdom

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    If you review the thread you will see I have been a supporter of hers and tried to give her the benefit. She has been politely asked a few direct questions by more than one member and she has chosen not to reply.

    I agree some comments have been overzealous, however, it really wouldn't take much for the situation to be calmed down by posting on here something like: 'guys I thought or feel what I did was all above board, although they were happy at the time obviously Nominet now disagree .........blah blah blah'.

    Sticking your head in the sand is never going to help the situation. She is a well respected member and I hope this can all be resolved amicably and we can all move on.

    My thoughts on the matter is ultimately that the fault lies with Fasthosts for allowing this to happen - I am sure some people who took advantage of this 'Loophole' (loophole.uk still abailable BTW ;)) thought everything was above board after reassuring conversations with Fasthosts or Nominet. However, I am also certain there were others who knew exactly what they were doing and tried to take full advantage.
     
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  3. gregfindley

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    Agreed.

    She said previously in the thread that she did everything above board. For example, what if she approached Fasthosts support and asked a question about contact details for the registrant? For all we know, she had no idea about the Fasthosts flaw at that time.

    She said she wouldn't profit from the domain, maybe it was for a charitable cause. Perhaps then the clueless Fasthosts support staff didn't understand the processes, and spotted that the domain was available to transfer, without understanding really what that meant - remember this was a flaw of system and human error at Fasthosts.

    I think her posts, values and character should stand for something.

    Regarding her lack of replies since, we have no idea what's happening in her life, maybe something offline far more important than domains has taken priority.
     
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  4. DJ Wood United Kingdom

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    Fair Point!
     
  5. Gill United Kingdom

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    Are you really this shallow?
     
  6. Trauiner United Kingdom

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    To be fair, it's all domainers business when she's trying to get elected at Nominet.

    You want to be 100% sure you're voting for an honest person. When someone is stating they've had a domain stolen off them by said person; you have to question it at the minimum.
     
  7. Gill United Kingdom

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    This was posted at 17.45pm last night
     
  8. TheWizard United Kingdom

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    My first comment on this thread, so hardly sticking my nose in. I'm just amazed how someone can't associate the acts of fellow registars as impacting upon the reputation of the .uk namespace (this isn't limited to here, this has made it far wider than this little forum) and in turn the members that are, in theory, supposed to be the custodians of the .uk namespace with Nominet acting on their behalf.

    If you think someone asking genuine questions about earlier statements made is the dogs being let loose then just wait and see what happens if some .co.uk owner decides to take offence at their .uk "disappearing".
     
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    Because she is standing for election on the key issue of 'INTEGRITY in THE UK NAMESPACE'
     
  10. Murray

    Murray Well-Known Member

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    Gill you label others bullies and childish whilst you have been the most abusive and disruptive

    I've personally given up replying to you because what's the point if reality doesn't matter
     
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  11. Trauiner United Kingdom

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    That's note quite the the process that happened though, is it?

    It should be:

    1. Susannah became the registrant of charlie.uk
    2. She was asked how she managed it and said that it was all above board
    3. The owner of said domain stated to a journalist that "he did not authorize the sale"
    4. The name has now been given back to the original registrant who would have lost it if not for the actions of Susannah

    When you add in the section you conveniently left out, it changes the perception of what may have happened.
     
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    Just my two pence worth.

    I'd like to think on that her previous record must count for something, and given the fact that she clearly stated it was all above board then i'd give the benifit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Aren't we supposed to think innocent until proven guilty as opposed to guilty by association ? I suspect we'll find out.

    As for the silence... I think she works in Nursing so more than likely that she could be busier than an ant in a sugar factory right now given the current situation.
     
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    Correct me if i am wrong, but have I already read here that Fasthosts have admitted it was their human error? If so, there is little to gain from finger pointing at each other here. It doesn't matter whether a catcher gets a domain name through knowing of weaknesses of server configurations, or smarter coding, or even getting wind that a registrar is allowing domain transfers on request, etc. What will always matter is the system itself. Exploiting weaknesses is what most of you rely on anyway.
     
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    " The name has now been given back to the original registrant who would have lost it if not for the actions of £$%&%*&^"

    Domain Scene Investigators.

    This is an interesting point. Were it not for the concern of the DSI Investigators the domains probably would have dropped and be in the hands of new owners. Instead, there are domains going back to their 'original' owners. The 'original' owners who did nothing to take ownership of the domains over a 5 year period will certainly want the domains now they know the entire industry is up in arms over them. Some interesting reflexive outcomes there.

    There's been no gain, for the recovered domains, for any party other than the original "owners". This means the motives of the DSI Investigators is about the reputation, stability, of domaining itself. What's the point in arguing any further when they are so clearly in the right?

    You can't physically own a domain name. You only have Right of use of it. So protecting Rights is fundamental. You can't meddle with it, or whole house comes crashing down. This aspect of the arguement/dispute/debate is a done deal and folks who spotted the problem so early on and it's potential implications got it right.

    But only up to a point. Surely Fasthost have to do a full transparent Audit. If it's only 38 domains then that can be dealt with. For some reason, I had the impression it was Hundreds, half of which if already sold on which would be very difficult to put right.

    In the End the most fundamental thing isn't the determinations about character, speculations about motives. It's one thing. You have the Right of ownership until the clock strikes "midnight" simple as. If that had been adhered to there wouldn't have been a problem.
     
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    Rather than lock or delete the thread (that may still happen) I have used a feature for the first time and blocked users from replying to this thread @Gill @LCHappy Reason: Personal insults
     
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    Good job, I have run out of popcorn :)
     
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  17. Murray

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    Latest I've got from Nominet is

    "we are still looking into the current situation with the domain names and there will be more details forthcoming soon. The best recommendation I can make would be to watch this space as I do not have a definitive answer as yet."
     
  18. Hay

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    @Murray - I have gone through some data over the last couple of days and in total there was around 4,100 domains that were renewed at the last minute.. When i say last minute i have pulled domains that were renewed within 7 days of the drop date, the reason i have done this is that i suspect people were testing this prior to the bulk of the domains dropping thus i suspect domains renewed without us noticing.

    My plan is to go through the entire list of approx 4,100 and see which of the domains are likely to hold any value, mark those as suspicious and email the list to nominet and @gregfindley because i believe there are domains that people are unaware of.
     
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  19. Murray

    Murray Well-Known Member

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    I've used Rob and Denys in the past as examples of people who are very on the ball with this type of stuff, need to add you to that list

    4100 jesus

    Do you have any data for the past few months in regards to late renewals? is there any indication this could have started prior to the mass .uk drops
     
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    I’ve been talking on another thread about a domain I was waiting to drop off fasthosts that had a last minute renewal. I didn’t think it held any value but I wanted as a personal site and is currently just pointing to an ad site

    i have contacted the person with RoR to see if they renewed it, as they showed zero interest before
     
  21. Hay

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    Yeah, i have data going back the last 12 months for every single domain that has ever been created, dropped and renewed.. what tag caught it, what tag it was moved too and what tag renewed it ect ect... so i initially thought the same as you, could this have occurred on "single" domains that have dropped anytime over the past 12 months.

    For example this is one that sparked my interest: user-guides.co.uk - It was renewed at the last minute (within 24 hours of the drop day and is an SEO domain)

    Here is another that was of interest but given this one is now on a nominet memebers TAG i dont want to point any fingers, im just outlining the domain: solvency.uk

    And another: motivations.co.uk (Renewed within 24 hours of the drop date which was 2020-01-01)

    And another: podcasting.co.uk (Renewed on the drop date which was 2020-01-06)

    Like i say though, the above are just "of interest" at the moment so i dont want to single anyone or any domain out at this point.

    The 4,100 are specifically .uk domains and does not contain any .co.uk's however once ive gone through the 4,100 .uk domains one by one i will then check the .co.uk's because ive already preserved the data for the .co.uk's
     
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