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  1. AssetDomains

    AssetDomains Well-Known Member

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    Just getting to the end of
    http://www.nominet.org.uk/sites/default/files/SLDRdecisionpaper.pdf
    Read this a few times and am still not exactly clear. Does it mean That co.uk caught after the 28th don't get first refusal.
     
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    Means they get it if no org.uk already etc

    Catching as we know it will be extinct soon anyway.
     
  4. Edwin

    Edwin Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    Correct.

    However, it's a bit more complicated than that.

    A few examples may help (please leap in and correct me if you spot any glitches - I'm only interpreting what Nominet have published).

    Term is "example 1"
    1. "example1.org.uk" exists and was registered before 28 October 2013
    2. "example1.co.uk" drops after 28 October 2013 and before launch date, and is caught
    3. Winner: example.org.uk

    Term is "example 2"
    1. "example2" only exists in .co.uk (no conflicting registrations)
    2. "example2.co.uk" drops after 28 October 2013 and before launch date, and is caught
    3. Winner: example.co.uk
     
  5. Skinner

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    I'm not concerned about this to be honest, I stil believe people will want the .co.uk to match the .uk for many years to come, so until the big boys ride in and kill catching its not a conern for me.
     
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    Maybe then a domain that drops now was registered before 28 October 2013 so could still be inline for the .uk???
     
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    anthony Well-Known Member

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    What is he like? Sounds like Denys clutching at straws in respect of the good names he's caught over the past few weeks. ;)

    The contract with Nominet ends once dropped, they're not going to give rights based on dead contracts, that's been long understood. Could you imagine the nightmare scenario that would create?
     
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    To me what Denys said kind of makes sense but having read section over and over still unsure will just have to wait for clarification from Nominet
     
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    Further reading from the question and answers page seems clear cut existing other third level takes the domain.
    http://www.nominet.org.uk/how-participate/policy-development/IntroducingSecondLevelDomains/qanda

     
  12. Murray

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    Thank goodness, we can all rest easy that denys will get the .uk for his premium catches in the future.
     
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    Unless he finds a way of dropping the competing tlds between now and feb... wouldn't put it past him! ;)
     
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    He won't if there's a .org.uk regged before 28th Oct, though, right?
     
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    Edwin Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    Correct. Though if the .co.uk is good enough and the .org.uk is underused, there may be mileage in trying to buy the .org.uk after catching the .co.uk...
     
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    Oh.. maybe I read it wrong.

    I thought it worked like this:

    org.uk gets it if the co.uk wasn't registered prior to October 28th.

    But drops were registered then, but then went on to drop.

    Does the drop and fresh reg mean it loses out?
     
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    I would think it's taken from the current reg date only, so any post-28th Oct .co.uk catch will lose out to the .org.uk (if it's pre-28th Oct).

    I don't think it's a particularly good measure they've put in place... many people have registered .org.uks to beat any pending .co.uk drops since the V2 was announced (myself included...). So any .org.uk registered pre-28th Oct that then had the .co.uk drop post-28th Oct have successfully gamed the system. But anyone who did the same where the .co.uk dropped pre-28th Oct have now suddenly lost out, and reg-fee down on each domain. I guess Nominet don't care, to be fair.
     
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    Are we all agreed that if you reg a .org.uk before a dropping .co.uk (as we are now passed the 28th October) that .org.uk is worth nada and the .co.uk will still win?

    If so, I'll go back to sleep, my .co.uk are ok.
     
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    I'm seeing it as this: .co.uk wins in all cases unless it is registered after the cut off date AND a .org.uk exists from before the cutoff date? If the latter scenario occurs and the .org.uk drops then the rights go to the .co.uk.

    Am I right or way off??

    Grant
     
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    That's how I read it
     
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    I could be wrong but I read it slightly differently...

    If a co.uk domain drops, then any rights goes with it. "There is no ‘second choice’ mechanism". The right does not ever get passed on to an org.uk.

    The .org.uk only gets the rights if it was registered at the cut off and there was no co.uk registered at the cutoff.

    If both org.uk and co.uk were registered at cutoff, the co.uk is the one with the right. If the co.uk is then dropped, then the rights drops with it. The right DOESN'T get passed on to the org.uk, even if the org.uk was registered before the cut-off.
     
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