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  1. invincible

    invincible Well-Known Member

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    If a .co.uk domain name was in the WHOIS at 23:59:59 on 28th October 2013, it was considered registered despite any "renewal required" or "suspension" information on display. If that same .co.uk dropped after that date and was registered again, the new registrant is entitled to the matching .uk at launch even if a non-co.uk is also registered. Does that answer your question? :)


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  3. Systreg Ireland

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    @ Invincible, yes, but I want it confirmed in writing from Nominet by email or on their site :)

    It all hinges on the term "exists" for me, I'm of the view that if a domain existed, as you say, it's in the Who-Is at the point, so no matter whether it says renewal needed or whatever, that domain existed at the cut off point and should be entitled to the .UK if it's dropped and caught after Oct 28th.
     
  4. invincible

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    WHOIS "jensjwjsmjwkskfei.co.uk" - that's the output of a domain name that isn't registered. Anything else showing, it would be registered. :)


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  5. Systreg Ireland

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    You know that and I know that, but....., needs to be in writing :)
     
  6. Stephen United Kingdom

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    another suffix

    It is broader than that, it is not just .org.uk it is any 3rd level UK domain, I'm sure Nominet want to protect a .plc.uk, .ltd.uk, .me.uk etc. if it was the only 3rd level UK domain registered on 28 10 2013.

    See Nominet Q & A

     
  7. jasman United Kingdom

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    Does anyone know if the rights to a .uk domain, that is in the 5-year reserved period and has not been claimed by the .co.uk owner yet, are automatically transferred to new registrant if the .co.uk is transferred to a new registrant? Or is whoever the registrant is in October 2013 the guaranteed recipient of the .uk rights regardless of whether he sells the .co.uk on later? In other words are the .uk rights bundled with the .co.uk domain whoever owns it until the .uk is claimed, or are they tied to the registrant during October 2013?
     
  8. Edwin

    Edwin Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    The rights transfer.
     
  9. ian

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    So (on a separate note from my question), I'd be able to buy an existing .co.uk domain which was registered years ago from another owner and still have priority of the .uk, even though .org.uk etc are owned, but not for the same duration?
     
  10. Murray

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    yes.
     
  11. Edwin

    Edwin Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    Easiest way to think about it: rights are attached to domains, not domain owners.
     
  12. invincible

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    I'm still waiting for someone to example some domain name registrations that were registered in one or more non-.{co|org}.uk but not in .{co|org}.uk at 23:59:59 on 28th October 2013 but nobody has yet managed to. I'd be surprised if any of the tiny number that possibly existed - 1. Still exist, 2. Care about .uk given they could register the matching .co.uk now but haven't done.


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  13. Systreg Ireland

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    paperworkuk .ltd.uk registered 1999, has a live site, isn't registered in any other suffix.

    cleveland-sitesafe .ltd.uk registered 1998, has a live site, they also own the .co.uk from 2001, not registered in other suffixes, there are probably more if I bothered looking.

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    Had it gone to oldest registered, the aptly name acorn.ltd.uk would have been the oldest:

    acorn .ltd.uk:

    .co.uk 19.07.04
    .org.uk 16.06.03
    .me.uk 02.07.02
    .net.uk domain not registered
    .plc.uk domain not registered
    .ltd.uk 30.09.97
     
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  14. Edwin

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    Nominet stated in one of their documents that there are some edge cases which apply to as few as 1 or 2 domains, for which they're still formulating policy.
     
  15. invincible

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    I've only checked in .co.uk but will take your word that paperworkuk.ltd.uk is unique. :) That's the first example I've seen. Any others, anyone? I wonder if they will care for the .uk when it is launched. They don't apparently currently care for the .co.uk.

    That's not an example of what I asked for because the .co.uk is also registered.

    Just like with many other examples. The .co.uk obviously dropped. However this isn't an example of what I asked for either. :)


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  16. Systreg Ireland

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    You can check them all at once with this tool:

    http://dotukwinner.com/checker.php

    Yes it is, if the .co.uk was registered to another entity, then no, but it's registered to the same entity so it counts, as it doesn't change the end result of who would get the .UK

    Yes, I know, I just added that for interest, you miserable git :)
     
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    That tool isn't current, its based on v2, just for reference :)
     
  18. invincible

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    It doesn't count based on my original asking of "I'm still waiting for someone to example some domain name registrations that were registered in one or more non-.{co|org}.uk but not in .{co|org}.uk at 23:59:59 on 28th October 2013"

    That registrant had both the ltd.uk and the co.uk at that timestamp so they'd get the .uk by virtue of being the registrant of the .co.uk. If the registrants were different then the .uk would go to the .co.uk registrant despite the ltd.uk being older. :)

    I'm looking for more examples of what I have quoted in "" above. :)





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  19. Systreg Ireland

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    Thanks mate, I wasn't aware of that, just checked them individually and paperworkuk .ltd.uk isn't registered in other suffixes.
     
  20. Retired_Member39

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    So basically every co.uk domain i catch from now onwards will lose rights to .uk if there is a org.uk already reg'd?.
     
  21. invincible

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    Incorrect. It depends when the matching org.uk was registered and also if the .co.uk was also previously registered at the same time. You'd be better off reading up as all we are going to do is have to keep explaining over and over again.


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