.UK Announced

[Lovekraft]

If they don't let existing .co.uk owners have first call, then they will create a bizarre situation that will leave many small businesses out of pocket and suspicious of the UK namespace.

It's unfortunate they have other plans, unless it could be argued to them reasonably that this would be a fair process for current uk domain holders.

"A staged release process for the domains, with registered rights holders’ applications considered in the first phase, then unregistered rights holders. All those using existing .co.uk, .org.uk etc domain names would be granted unregistered rights under the proposed plans. "

 

[getmein]

Address verification - that's going to be fun if you're the holder of a large number of .uk domains - better warn the postman to bring a van.

Not giving first refusal to the .co.uk owner - if they don't then I think they'll create even more confusion. If they do and people seek to protect their rights by buying the corresponding .uk the cost of carrying a portfolio will go through the roof.

 

[ratboy]

Address verification - that's going to be fun if you're the holder of a large number of .uk domains - better warn the postman to bring a van.

Be per account i'd imagine.

 

[Bailey]

:roll:

Posted in error. No need to worry....yet!

It was im that done it (ol'Ginger)

In the good old days we could have killed the bringer of bad-tidings Plus Burnt him for witchcraft...

 

[getmein]

I'd have thought actually the market for .org.uk just imploded.

Not necessarily. Depends what they mean by 'evidence of use' and what the 'qualifying date' is.

'Domain names registered in the third level may constitute an unregistered right provided evidence of use could be shown prior to the qualifying date'

Suggests that where the .co.uk and .org.uk are registered and the .org.uk can show 'evidence of use' and the .co.uk can't, the owner of the .org.uk would have primacy over the .co.uk holder.

 

[Marcoose]

You youngsters! I'm more partial to a good old fashioned stoning!

:roll:



It was im that done it (ol'Ginger)

In the good old days we could have killed the bringer of bad-tidings Plus Burnt him for witchcraft...

 

[mrh]

Cheer up guys, go buy some socks socked

 

[foz]

So who's going to be catching while this is up in the air?

Money for old rope?

 

[Lovekraft]

Not necessarily. Depends what they mean by 'evidence of use' and what the 'qualifying date' is.

Suggested qualifying date is 3 months prior to today's publication.

 

[Marcoose]

Suggested qualifying date is 3 months prior to today's publication.

Where's doctor brown when you need him?!!

 

[Marcoose]

So who's going to be catching while this is up in the air?

Money for old rope?

I am but am going to be a lot more selective than before. The happenings over the last couple of days have definitely thrown (another) spanner into the works.

 

[martin-s]

I've taken out 30 names out of my catching schedule for October alone.

 

[DarrenTSO]

The main issue for me is what does this actually add or improve about the .uk space. Is it change for the sake or change?

If it's about the "trust" aspect, couldn't this simply be an opt-in scheme on the existing third level domains? So someone on a .co.uk can utilise DNS SEC, can verify they are resident in the UK and have up to date contact details published. Websites and domains opting in to this scheme can display a badge of trust of some kind. Malware and virus scanning is all well and good, but it is encroaching on the toes of hosting providers and security firms who may already provide these services as a value added service to their clients.

Finally, .co.uk is ingrained in to people's minds when dealing with UK companies and UK websites. That is a good thing. The issue is that now not only do you need to register a .com, .co.uk, .co, but with these proposals, now a .uk. It's adding confusion to an already crowded marketplace. It really wouldn't surprise me if there was a backlash at some point because consumers are going to get sick and tired of having to make new "brand protection" and defensive registrations to protect their trademarks in new TLDs.

 

[Marcoose]

The main issue for me is what does this actually add or improve about the .uk space. Is it change for the sake or change?

If it's about the "trust" aspect, couldn't this simply be an opt-in scheme on the existing third level domains? So someone on a .co.uk can utilise DNS SEC, can verify they are resident in the UK and have up to date contact details published. Websites and domains opting in to this scheme can display a badge of trust of some kind. Malware and virus scanning is all well and good, but it is encroaching on the toes of hosting providers and security firms who may already provide these services as a value added service to their clients.

Finally, .co.uk is ingrained in to people's minds when dealing with UK companies and UK websites. That is a good thing. The issue is that now not only do you need to register a .com, .co.uk, .co, but with these proposals, now a .uk. It's adding confusion to an already crowded marketplace. It really wouldn't surprise me if there was a backlash at some point because consumers are going to get sick and tired of having to make new "brand protection" and defensive registrations to protect their trademarks in new TLDs.

Great post. Make sure you bring all of that up in your email to Nom.

 

[martin-s]

Maybe they could use opt-in and work with the browsers so that registered and validated uk domain names go green in the address bar.

Something else to confuse a public who often don't understand what a domain name or SSL certificate is!

 

[websaway]

Thinking about it, this could turn into the biggest scam in history.
Nominet will have marketed and sold sub domains under the banner of the uk commercial domain extension. This is not a problem while they retain the .uk extension as not for sale, but as soon as they issue .uk it becomes a scam, the co.uk domains could be viewed as no more than any other sub domains for sale such as uk.com us.com etc.

I am picturing the people sitting on the committee when it was suggested that they could issue the ultimate uk domain extension . We can tell the public that 'yes you have a great name in co.uk but this is UK Direct this is the real thing'.
It makes the banks look saintly.

 

[namealot]

People are like sheep hoping they will be loyal to co.uk is naïve… they will if none of the big corporations, high street etc don’t use .uk they won’t if they do. The net is still the Wild West with even the governing bodies staking new claims all the time.
Law suits etc is grasping at straws Courts would be a coin toss at best. Who would they consult what experts would they draw upon domainers? or the governing bodies who are rolling them out… hoping they won’t bring them out distribute the way they look like they are going to again is pretty pointless same as seo saying there not dead, and believing emd and generics bear as much importance as they used to that’s changing and will continue to do so as search engines get smarter and people are more savvy.

It will become more important to have a good site than a good name or even the tld cctld which is no bad thing for Joe public or the industry in the long run.

Bummer for some…. whole new opportunity for others the knowledge gained from regging co.uk will still be as important with .uk at least at the start capitalize on that. Like any gold strike eventually the gold runs out the smart ones diversify move on to a new claim the dumb ones carry on digging…

 

[lwoody]

Agree

... once the ball starts rolling everyone will want the .uk version

I agree.

Lee.

 

[julian]

.COM will win out of this.

Interesting point as now Joe Bloggs start-up might think 'I can't have the .co.uk already reg'd,

I can't afford the .UK some domainer-squatter wants uber bucks for it...

so i'll just reg in the .com' and two fingers up to the .UK lot My life and business carry on as usual.


Lets face its mainly just large portfoilio domainers who could stand to lose out in this..

 

[mojoco]

Interesting point as now Joe Bloggs start-up might think 'I can't have the .co.uk already reg'd,

I can't afford the .UK some domainer-squatter wants uber bucks for it...

so i'll just reg in the .com' and two fingers up to the .UK lot My life and business carry on as usual.


Lets face its mainly just large portfoilio domainers who could stand to lose out in this..

Its unlikely that a name that is already registered in .co.uk and .uk will be available in .com