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[aZooZa]

Another point which was cursorily dismissed at the registrar conference is Nominet's reluctance to contact the millions of existing .uk domain owners, and inform them of their plans.

They cite the DPA as a barrier. IMO this is complete hogwash as it could be reasonably suggested that they have a duty of care to inform such stakeholders (and I use the term loosely) that their pitch is about to be invaded.

I'd like to see another legal opinion about this. The notion that they would be "spamming" on this matter sounds quite preposterous to me.

If I buy a Ferrari from a bona fide Ferrari dealer, and then get a technical notice direct from Ferrari, am I going to mark it as spam?

Insane.

 

[monaghan]

I'd say that it is vital information for any existing domain holder and would expect Nominet to be asking me, after all, they email me to tell me the domain needs renewal and again when it is suspended and again when they propose to delete it, so it's no as though they don't contact me directly even though my domain was purchased via a registrar (OK in this case I run the registrar, but most people won't).

On the flip side, should the proposal go ahead, they've awoken the interest of 10million potential sales all for the cost of sending an email.

 

[GreyWing]

They say they can not publish the responses because they are following Cabinet Office best practice on consultations.

That is 100% what they said at the Nominet events.... Interesting isn't it, as if we can't find that document and locate this passage

6.5 Consideration should be given to publishing the individual responses received to consultation exercises.

http://www.bis.gov.uk/files/file47158.pdf

Blaming the Government for not publishing responses by blaming that document is end of the line. This consultation is now being shown to be progressing in bad faith in my opinion and that means people (more likely "person") needs to go.

Avoid.co.uk is now being started to get rid of the bad egg at Nominet, the CEO Lesley Cowley. A site dedicated to her removal, not focusing on the .uk issue but 100% on the problem at Nominet.

 

[Marcoose]

They say they can not publish the responses because they are following Cabinet Office best practice on consultations.

That is 100% what they said at the Nominet events.... Interesting isn't it, as if we can't find that document and locate this passage

6.5 Consideration should be given to publishing the individual responses received to consultation exercises.

http://www.bis.gov.uk/files/file47158.pdf

Blaming the Government for not publishing responses by blaming that document is end of the line. This consultation is now being shown to be progressing in bad faith in my opinion and that means people (more likely "person") needs to go.

Avoid.co.uk is now being started to get rid of the bad egg at Nominet, the CEO Lesley Cowley. A site dedicated to her removal, not focusing on the .uk issue but 100% on the problem at Nominet.

Although I would back this, wouldn't it involve more than 50% of votes needing to be in favour? With the stupid voting system that's in place and the main registrars counting for most of the votes, is this likely to happen? Correct me if I'm wrong about anything..

 

[Stephen]

Get them onside

Although I would back this, wouldn't it involve more than 50% of votes needing to be in favour? With the stupid voting system that's in place and the main registrars counting for most of the votes, is this likely to happen? Correct me if I'm wrong about anything..

Have to convince the large uk registrars that once you look at the detail and the lack of thought,
panic, and lack of research and planning that Nominet have done, it will all come out and they will loose
the confidence of their clients, if they are seen to act against their interest
by not exposing the situation.

We should remind the large registrars that you ignore the interest of your
clients at your peril and once one breaks rank they will possibly obtain a
marketing advantage over the others, especially when it all fails
but lets hope it does not come to that, as all will suffer.

History is full of businesses that lost their way e.g. Ronald "C.R.A.P" Ratner
springs to mind! eventually they all pay the price.

 

[Stephen]

more stories....

I find your never sure which bit if a story may interest the media;

• is it Nominet selling you something that it has already sold?
• is it the cybersquatting potential?
• is it the rebranding costs to UK industry?
• is it the greed of Nominet with all the auctions?
• is it the foreign trademark holders grabing the best of the uk domains?
• is it the likely hood of increased cyber crime rather than less?
• is it the 800% increase in renewal costs?
• is it that Nominet have consulted the people before it changes the entire uk internet?
• is it the people who are supposed to be looking after the uk internet have
  made an appaling mess with this proposal?
• the list goes on ......

Also we might see;

• is it the Nominet proposal is not "fit for purpose"?
• is it .uk proposal will cost 10,000 jobs?
• is it Nominet have to go back to the drawing board?
• is it Nominet panic with 1,000 new domain extensions coming?
• is it Nominet new secuity make matters worse?
• is it what cutbacks, as Nominet the monolopy
  try to increase profits by 1,000%

It may be the headlines we have not seen that indicate
we are on the right line in getting Nominet to stand back
and look again, if there PR machine and policy was right,
we would have seen headlines like the following but we are not;

• not seeing Nominet bold step gives hope to economy
• not seeing Nominet creates thousands of new jobs
• not seeing Nominet save British companies billions
• not seeing Nominet use its monolopy power wisely
• not seeing Nominet plan widely accepted
• not seeing Nominet consult the public
  in most important change to uk internet
• not seeing Nominet slashes the £27 billion internet cybercrime bill in the uk
• not seeing lots more positive stories...

 

[DomainManagement]

Motive and Intent

i was at the meeting , and yes i asked question`s during the live debate
and afterwards , nominet knows that domain portfolio holders will be hardest hit and openly admits this but apparently does not care

i think its best like a detective to look at motive and intent , and follow the money trial

Who wins the money
, top registrars , nominet and the executives of those company`s , who will be paid massive bonuses , for the extra revenue generated , lets say a top registrar has 200,000 clients and say only 20,000
domains are sold , that £ 2 million extra revenue just for starters per year

nominet would gain massive income , beyond comprehension


who loses
anyone who buys a .UK domain,as they will be funding all this
every online business , in the uk online space
internet users


WE ARE BEING HIJACKED BY THE TOP REGISTRARS AND NOMINET

MY PROPOSAL IS SIMPLE , REVERSE HIJACK THEM

HOW
SIMPLE PROVIDE A OFFSHORE REGISTRAR,HOSTING SERVICES
THAT UNDER CUT , ALL UK PRICES , THUS AFFECTING THERE BUSINESSES
LIKE THEY ARE AFFECTING OUR S

DOING THIS WOULD ALSO GIVE US A LARGER SAY AT THE TOP TABLE

THERE ARE SOME FANTASTIC BRAINS ON THIS FORUM , IN ALL AREAS OF BUSINESS SO LET PLAY THEM AT THERE OWN GAME AND DILUTE THERE PROFITS AND SEE HOW THEY LIKE IT

THERE IS A LOT OF TALK BUT FEW ARE TAKING ACTION


I WAS TOLD BY SENIOR MEMBERS OF STAFF OF NOMINET AT THE MEETING THAT ACTUALLY , THE VIDEO BEING SHOWN ON WWW.THAT.CO.UK IS IN FACT INCORRECT , AND THAT THE JUDGE DESCRIBED LESLEY COWLEY AS A CREDIBLE WITNESS AT THE INDUSTRIAL TRIBUNAL SO FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL , CAN WE SEE IN BLACK AND WHITE WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH PLEASE NOMINET.ORG.UK OR THAT.CO.UK AND LETS PUT THIS MATTER TO BED


Maybe Lesley has political ambition and this is her motivation , as she was name dropping a lot , with regard to ministerial meetings

i would also like to see settled the rumour that she omitted her bonus
from paper work

if the bonus was paid , could anyone tell me on what basis it was paid
as there is a very healthy salary being paid ,



Recently Lesley was voted as one of the top 3 influential women in IT
and with what is being proposed at NOMINET and humongous amounts of money under her control

she should have a reputation beyond reproach , this matters should be addressed so we can have confidence in our ceo and move forward

or if the rumours prove true , a replacement needs to be found

its about confidence and transparency and its a little thin on the ground at the moment

to me using suspect data from a 450 companies straw poll ,
if not good enough to move on a project thats worth 100`s of millions of pounds in the short term , we were not even told what the questions were , that got the answers they were talking about , what a sham

lets have some answers soon

lets start a reverse hijack operation now too

if we do not show we are serious , then we will not be taken serious


sorry if my writing and grammar is not so great

but i think you get the point

its time for all sides to put up , or shut up

 

[foz]

If Nominet decides to proceed a Class Action could be in order, firstly seeking an injunction. If every affected party put in $1K-5K, a legal war chest could be built up.

 

[Edwin]

If Nominet decides to proceed a Class Action could be in order, firstly seeking an injunction. If every affected party put in $1K-5K, a legal war chest could be built up.

In parallel to that, some kind of joint "open letter" to government signed by Nominet Members demanding that they save UK business interests and the UK economy by taking control of the registry under the Digital Economy Act 2010. I would expect we should be able to convince several hundred at least.

Note: this can only be done AFTER the revised proposal (if any) is published, otherwise we're all just shadow boxing again...

 

[foz]

I have sought advice from a Solicitor, but because he is contracted to Nominet to act as an Expert he could not represent.

Finding a Solicitor who is Domain savvy, familiar with UK law and is not under Nominets umbrella is the first hurdle.

 

[mojoco]

I have sought advice from a Solicitor, but because he is contracted to Nominet to act as an Expert he could not represent.

Finding a Solicitor who is Domain savvy, familiar with UK law and is not under Nominets umbrella is the first hurdle.

Paul Keating, he was at the meeting and knows the industry inside out.

 

[Brassneck]

In parallel to that, some kind of joint "open letter" to government signed by Nominet Members demanding that they save UK business interests and the UK economy by taking control of the registry under the Digital Economy Act 2010. I would expect we should be able to convince several hundred at least.

Note: this can only be done AFTER the revised proposal (if any) is published, otherwise we're all just shadow boxing again...

Why wait? You could, at least, at stage highlight your concerns to BIS. You will, at least, get some kind of response (even if very bland) but some officials at least will be made aware and who knows then...

I thought everybody was contacting MPs etc - did anybody get any interest?

Has anybody been in contact with the CBI, Small Business Federation etc?

There is a lot of noise on the forum but as Steve points out if you really don't like this then do something concrete about it.

Stephen.

 

[Brassneck]

If Nominet decides to proceed a Class Action could be in order, firstly seeking an injunction. If every affected party put in $1K-5K, a legal war chest could be built up.

Just out of interest how many would you be expecting to contribute? Traditionally I haven't seen much co-operation amongst those in the secondary market.

Stephen.

 

[monaghan]

I thought everybody was contacting MPs etc - did anybody get any interest?

No response from my MP, will give him a nudge, he's a .co.uk domain owner, so is also potentially impacted.

 

[websaway]

Avoid any form of radical behaviour.

Right is definately on the consumers side, it's not the same as utilities where price rises can be defended as a result of increased wholesale costs. These costs are in total as a result of chasing profit with the absence of imagination.

The main point of motivation for me is still the fact that the extension is not new, unlike .biz and .info but merely a re-selling of what's already been sold as the uk commercial/business space, not sure about the legalities but certain about the morality.

 

[websaway]

If Nominet decides to proceed a Class Action could be in order, firstly seeking an injunction. If every affected party put in $1K-5K, a legal war chest could be built up.

I can't help but agree on this, the stakes are so high that someone should ask for a legal view on the strength of any case should it become necessary, even though Nominet have probably already carried out that exercise for themselves.

 

[Stephen]

No External Legal opinion

I can't help but agree on this, the stakes are so high that someone should ask for a legal view on the strength of any case should it become necessary, even though Nominet have probably already carried out that exercise for themselves.

No Nominet have not, they only received an in house legal view, they did not seek or obtain an external legal opinion for the current .uk proposal.

I raised this at the Nominet roundtable meeting in London and this position
was confirmed by 2 Nominet staff present.

 

[Edwin]

I asked the same question and received the same answer.

Oh, and they didn't get any kind of external risk assessment done either (neither for the consequences of launching .uk, nor for the consequences of PROPOSING to launch .uk i.e. the "chilling effect" of all the uncertainty).

At what point does disinterest become actionable neglect?

 

[DomainManagement]

Opps i forgot

Does Nominet have in its possession a letter from Google

Stating that a .uk will be weighted the same as a co.uk

as part of google`s algo is based on age to

so how would this be factored in ????

or indeed has it even contacted Google about this

or am i being naive


as i think its a massive point

otherwise it would be like the failed .us

to be honest having big legal bills is a no no

only person that wins in the lawyer

better put the money into a offshore company

and create a offshore registrar that sells at a loss on domains

and provides services at cost , this would be a quicker solution

than court and lawyers and , show the registrars they better change there mind or else

also if we did this , we would have more of a say at nominet with the amount of registrations we would have

we would be to sell at the price of £ 4.99 plus processing costs

plus processing fee

i am sure a great site like this would , make the registrars sit up and take notice

more than a legal process which would take forever and a day
and which the registrars would right of against tax

i want to affect the registrars earning potential because if we do this there share holders wont be happy , and also the chance of earning big bonuses is made harder

don't defend attack

 

[websaway]

I asked the same question and received the same answer.

Oh, and they didn't get any kind of external risk assessment done either (neither for the consequences of launching .uk, nor for the consequences of PROPOSING to launch .uk i.e. the "chilling effect" of all the uncertainty).

At what point does disinterest become actionable neglect?

Have you ever been involved in a situation where someone is forced into doing something but does not really want to do it, it results in apathy.

Just a thought.