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Discussion in 'Domain Research' started by JMI, May 21, 2020 at 12:57 PM.

  1. JMI

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    Just a pondering thread..

    Looking at prices .uk fetching on average I feel it's more of a young man's game.

    I think the old school got defo emotional attachment to .co.uk and rightly so as .UK not yet proven, but unless I know nuzzing about domains in last 23 years, and I'm seeing 5k-10k domains going for £50! I think we're in about stage 2 of 4 (like bitcoin adoption by general public is about stage 3 if they can overcome making it easier for bloggs in the next few years), so this is a great time to invest potentially.
     
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  3. Trauiner United Kingdom

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    .UK domains have had 6 years (nearly) to prove themselves. How many more years do they need to prove themselves? It's not an issue of getting them, it's not an issue of not being accessible. It just is that ".co.uk" is seen as the main domain for the UK and it will always be so. It's just "one of those things" for whatever reason.

    Just like .net will never become the main extension over .com or why .co will never become the king over .com just because it's shorter.

    In regards to be Bitcoin; Bitcoin is inherently flawed for mass adoption as it will always need to be linked to be a 'normal' currency to be meaningful for the normal person. Doesn't that somewhat remove the point of mass-adoption of it?

    100% has it uses and purposes but it will always have the problem of needing to be linked to a main currency.

    £5 will always mean £5 - 0.00065 BTC will not always mean £5, so shops/websites etc would always have to show £ pricing and it's conversion, otherwise you don't know what you're spending. At that point; what is the difference to the customer? For everyday, mass usage use, Bitcoin doesn't hold that many viable benefits.
     
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    Some fair points you've made, but to say "It just is that ".co.uk" is seen as the main domain for the UK and it will always be so" is a very brave statement and obviously would suit anyone who has not invested in owning both .co.uk and .uk. 6 years is true and things should be better you could argue, but its not been a "clean" 6 years whereby I mean there has been a chance for the UK digital economy to settle and branch out properly, let the younger generations come through who are less concerned with dogma e.g. we've had the hash tag era, QR Code era, App Era, Brexit, general elections, Covid. I feel it won't happen on a noticeable scale for 3-5 years.. and you could be right and .UK linger in background as the ugly sister forever.

    Sorry one other thing, you can't really compare .com with .net, .info etc. .com is king of kings in global terms, that's like comparing .co.uk to .org.uk.
     
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    I guess the main 'hurdle' for .uk becoming the 'norm' is what benefit does it bring over something that's always been used?

    It's shorter? Why don't we believe that we're all going to move to .co instead of .com, if that's the case.
    .co.uk is supposed to be 'commerical' websites whereas .UK isn't? Same applies to .com but we don't consider a more suitable extension for most sites using that.

    I just don't see valid or compelling argument on why it would become king.

    To me, .uk domains were purely a revenue generating idea by Nominet. They didn't do it for the good of the internet space. It was quite a smart idea, really.
     
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    Interesting post. I googled ' royal family' the other day.
    royal.uk was first in search.
    And it's the official web site of the British Royal Family
     
  7. Trauiner United Kingdom

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    Most 'Government' related sites are on .UK domains.

    I wonder why the 'Royal Family' took the family out of their domain name. Genuinely curios about that. Maybe just a short/cleaner look?
     
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    Does anyone know of any .UK websites which are popular? I mean, I doubt there any .UK websites as popular as Autotrader or Rightmove, but does anyone know of any .UK websites which come to the top of search like the Royals .UK site did
     
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    I mean, they had to.

    They couldn't really go around pushing .UK domains as the future and to spend your money registering them to protect your brand etc... If they sat on a .co.uk website.
     
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    I think you have slightly missed his point in relation to timescales. When bitcoin was 6 years old it was still only worth a few hundred dollars a BTC. Its now 30x that. Its 6 years for .uk ....so..? I'm not expressing an opinion as I'm really not sure what will happen to .uk values but his analogy was good in terms of timescales...
     
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    NHS.uk
     
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    Imagine if google.co.uk became google.uk - big impact?
     
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    I wasn't comparing the time-frames. I was replying to the .uk and bitcoin sections as completely different topics.
     
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    Really? I thought when you said

    You were saying 6 years was long enough, well it wasnt for Bitcoin..... but since then it has (in terms of monetary value), which was JMI's point.
     
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    The NHS one doesn't count as that pre-dates when even .co.uk owners could use a UK. That's a truly legacy .UK domain.

    That would likely make a lot of heads turn and question the extension for sure. Even I would consider what that meant!
     
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    Have they though ? They were completely tied to the co.uk unless dropped, so were effectivly handcuffed for that whole period. They have had a year, granted, but still early days.
     
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    Ah, right. No I was just referring to 6 years as that's when the .co.uk could start buying their .UK pair. (If I remember correctly it was 6 years.) Purely referring to that and not time-scales compared to Bitcoin.

    If that was JMI's point, I missed his point.

    I'm not sure a domain extension can be compared to Bitcoin in regards to adoption.
     
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    I'm moving acorn to acorndomains.uk next week, that will shake the market up lol ;)
     
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    True but if companies holding the .co.uk's didn't want to use them or even register them in a lot of cases, doesn't that say a lot from the start?

    The main people that 'should' in theory of wanted them, have show pretty much no interest.
     
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    Its Gov.uk, and especially through the pandemic there are going to be so many people using the Gov.uk service platforms.

    Just the way it works, at the very top, Government, Royals as someone pointed out, the situation is a .UK situation and next will come the toffs and after that you and I.

    What is up in the air is timescale but simple reality is .UK is more flag waving and this is post Brexit Britain that's going to be very interested in a lot of flag-waving once those Trade Talks really get down. I'd be shocked if a major initiative was launched on .co.uk as opposed to .UK as a platform. .UK just sends the message faster, sleeker, punchier. It's the Royals, the Gov, the idyllic British Villages, Tourist Attractions, .UK is UK's chance to have a TLD that's globally renown, means something, intrinsically British, isn't just about what's going on in the UK but is also about what the .UK can offer the world!

    I can see the campaign 'At '"World Class UK company name"', we are switching over to our new .UK platform, to show the World Britain is open for business once more, a new more United Kingdom.... ready for tomorrows challenges... inclusive, united.....with our World Class Engineering/Customer Service/Green technology... yadiyadiya.."

    There are no comparison comparing .com with .co cos first of all .com is the global standard domain suffice that has no peers but more importantly .UK actually means something whereas .co doesn't exactly roll off the tongue in meaning.

    If there's only a 3% chance that one of the big boys Amazon, Google, Argos etc will switch to .UK each year over the next ten or 15 years that small possibility starts edging nearer to a certainty over time just to distinguish themselves. Meanwhile .UK could stagnate, but once the flame is lit that's it because the situation is one of public consciousness not just what the stats say or trends. Another possibility is an influencer, just one who blows up, launches on a .UK platform, big marketing, a new idea.... all possible.

    As pointed out if you are a new domainer and all we had was .co.uk you have a steep climb because of how tight it is but if you look at .UK the pricing, in some cases beer money, and consider what that could become if .UK starts trending as a domain then you got little to lose and potentially something to gain. .UK is a beauty just waiting for it's ball.

    With .UK you are talking about half a dozen astute buys, see what happens, you don't need to remortgage the house unless there's something you can't live without, and you may just gain.

    Disclaimer I'm small change in domaining, so just having a say but I'm expecting a prime.co.uk ending up with 60 or 70% value of an identical prime .UK in the long term. Now what's important is all .co.uk owners had their 5 years to grab their .uk's and cover both possibilities. So shouldn't matter either way to them how it ends up.

    If you own a .co.uk you wouldn't sell for less than 10k and because of this you regged during the 5 years it's twin sibling in the .UK and that is currently worth 1k in a fair wind, then that's still 1k more than the 4quid you spent regging it. Your covered, either way, happy days, have a beer. I don't see any argument that you tend to see that asked so often; the question being why isn't the .UK also worth 10k? Why should it be? The UK economy didn't double overnight just cos .UK was launched, values of both could be trending up [premiums], and .UK could end up stealing value from .co.uk so it's complex in that sense. Bit like Canary Wharfs stagnant start, and it's position relative to the City nowadays.
     
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