I hear what you're saying - and I may try brandpa later. Thanks for the tip. I've already changed tack somewhat to get closer to your ideas and ideals. And BrandBucket's linguistic mutterings, although I do have to wonder about some four syllable domains they are listing that I can't see sense in - nothing to like about them. But looking at this thread, what I haven't made completely clear is that BrandBucket are not currently charging to submit names. They give you 10 free ($1) assessments for a start, and are waiving the $10 submission fee, which they reserve the right to reinstate at any time. It is evident that BrandBucket are feeling pressure from BrandPa - but right now I'm trying with BrandBucket because there are no costs upfront. Oh, ah yes, while we're talking about it - the bit where I tried to change the description of Ravenham - yes, it did cause it to miss out on their new listings email. And I do have some sort of a plan for those names you regard as tricky to sell. I don't want to show my hand right now, but I will later.