James Perhaps some minor element was semantics, however the main thrust of the aguement pertains to Jays suggestion that domainers are not a significant holder of domains..... From the smallest of sample and contary to my own initial thoughts, the snapshot purely from the for sale section sub definition business sedo indicated over 500k of domains Clearly if this sample is to believe 1) I am astounded that Jay could remotely define domainers as not holding significant domains 2) I would be equally astounded that Jay or anyone at Nominet a) didnt know and b) didnt believe that these figures were likely to increase given the decline in business numbers in the uk (yes I do know .uk are own by business outside the uk). Equally, since the sample was taken from domains forsale and purely from sedo, it would be interesting to see "how deep the rabit hole goes" blue pill? I would say nominet wouldnt be interested to know or even what proportion in relation to other extensions. my gut feeling now if 25% does not seem unrealistic.... even higher maybe You mention that the DRS was not setup to target domainers, however it was set does that mean that is how reality is? If you have read DRS cases, you would have noted what I believe and various other domainers have suggeted, that comments are made about the "dislike" of PPC etc... In terms of the real issues, these issues exist in the reality the holding domainers have and the apparent "blind eye" to their existance. whilst nominet appears happy to take the money register the domains, in some cases knowing full well that issues occur or ought to have known. Nominet also know, should a complaint be made about the domains, they will charge "large sums" to adminster a proceedure that they have already sanctioned..... That in my view is a conflict of interests, vicarious liability ? Equally, I am unsure in some cases nominet can enforce the DRS since there is no direct contract between domainers and nominet..... with your view on bowing to the majority view, i have to agree that someimes as to be done, the only issue I have, the membership fees to nominet are prohibitive, nominey must know this, why has that not been changed to encourage grassroots opinion? James Are you telling me that nominet putting processes in place to encourage longer ownership and stability needs legal approval? I dont want the government to condone domainers, they dont have too.... The government as I mentioned eariler in the thread has yet to take a positive/negative stance of domains that have been secured after the collapse of a business etc, this is a harbitor of insecurity.... Equally I am keen for the government t be pushed in terms of Taxation issues, they seem to be playing a waiting game..... Omg james you dont truely believe in a democracy? how deluded, you must be a devoted labour voter!