flip.uk - .UK Domain Auctions and Marketplace

[lazarus]

@Hay Thanks for highlighting anyway, just in case it was something freaky going on. Good to hear the side links are getting clicked on

 

[seemly]

@lazarus - I've just noticed a user has been able to bid on a flip domain 3 times without being outbid by another party, Is this allowed to happen by default?

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At a guess;

1. The buy submitted a bid, it didn't meet the reserve
2. The buyer upped their max bid, and it didn't meet the reserve
3. The buyer upped their max bid, and it didn't meet the reserve

[edit]
My response was too late!

 

[webber]

Based on the current list of domains in auction, pretty much.

Looks like a good bunch to me

 

[Ben Thomas]

That's a sign of the low quality nature of the domains sold.

Or, it's a sign that there isn't enough traffic going through Flip yet. Do you think these domains would have sold for more at DL, right now? Probably. Because they're in front of more eyes. This won't be the same in a years time.

 

[webber]

You said 99.9% of the domains listed are garbage.
I was pointing out the fact that there are quality domains auctioned on flip.
At least the top 5 in that list finished today so technically at least 5%

Me: "Based on the current list of domains in auction, pretty much." - Which was about 90-100 domains with nearly all of them having no bids or bids around £10.

You: Puts a screenshot of 10 finished auctions.

 

[WalkinDude]

Another way to look at it is how did the domains even achieve that price for a Domain Auction house that if compared to a human would still be in the hospital getting post-birth checks and possibly some milk. This thing is like 5 mins old. Imagine when it's a toddler...

 

[WalkinDude]

As separate matter type:

"Flip Domains"
"Flip Domains UK" First Page
"Flip Domain Names"
"Flip Auction"
"Flip Domain Auction"

How Google can continue to describe itself as a search engine is something that continues to mystify me. It more like AOL via the backdoor an augmented world than anything like a search engine.

 

[super-whois]

Even so, the average value of those domains in that list is £263. How can anyone argue they're high quality domains when selling for so little. That doesn't add up.

If you remove the helptobuy.uk domain (which may be a outlier because of the other helptobuy domain that sold recently), the average value is £177 - That's a sign of the low quality nature of the domains sold.

Let's compare to the this afternoon's sales on DL:

Domain sold Sold For Bids Ended At
munchbox.co.uk £50 1 12-10-2020 19:10
premium.org.uk £50 1 12-10-2020 18:50
bigdata.org.uk £60 2 12-10-2020 18:49
PhoneNumbers.uk £60 2 12-10-2020 16:30
UsedCarWarranty.uk £50 1 12-10-2020 16:20
ComparePaydayLoans.co.uk £100 7 12-10-2020 16:09
ello.co.uk £420 25 12-10-2020 15:22
Moorhen.uk £50 1 12-10-2020 15:20
splat.uk £79 5 12-10-2020 14:40
Subscribing.co.uk not sold 2 12-10-2020 14:30
fugly.uk £50 1 12-10-2020 14:25
LondonRentals.uk £50 1 12-10-2020 14:25
inline.uk not sold 3 12-10-2020 14:15
RemortgageCalculator.uk £50 1 12-10-2020 14:10
mesh.uk £143 10 12-10-2020 14:00

Average sale: £89 (excluding not sold)

So, flip.uk is doing nearly double without including the helptobuy outliner...

 

[FinestDomain]

I don't understand on the basis of which characteristics a domain can be defined as garbage.
Surely the quality of a domain depends on many, more or less, evaluable factors but, don't get me wrong on this,
I think the real value of a domain depends on the quality and the potential end use that the buyer attributes to it.
Anyway, there are definitely domains that are worth more than others, that's for sure.

 

[super-whois]

That's not how you compare things.

You're right, I should compare apples to oranges, because this afternoon DL must have had "pure and utter garbage".

If you think DL gets higher prices, how about you put your money where your mouth is, and buy a domain on flip.uk and then put it up for auction on DL with no reserve, and then prove me wrong.

 

[Ben Thomas]

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You're right, I should compare apples to oranges, because this afternoon DL must have had "pure and utter garbage".

If you think DL gets higher prices, how about you put your money where your mouth is, and buy a domain on flip.uk and then put it up for auction on DL with no reserve, and then prove me wrong.

thats an interesting idea

 

[Ben Thomas]

Flip needs to find ways to entice higher value domains.

I could list one on there for 15-20k but it would be a risk compares to DL. If it doesn't get many eyeballs, I can't expect it to have the same level of activity.

For example, offering multiple email blasts over the course of the auction to registered users on the site, if you can bring a high value domain to the site.

Yes, it’s called time and more traffic.
Nobody is going to list premium domains for auction on Flip at the moment, because they could sell for much less.

An example of this was when I sold Cumbria.uk after last years RoR drop. Instead of listing on DL I took a chance and listed it on UKBO. I think it would have gotten more interest on DL, because there’s more traffic going through it. In the end it sold for a very low price. Same for diving.uk which went for less than £500 IIRC

 

[dee]

I could list one on there for 15-20k

I doubt you'd be guaranteed 15-20k for anything at the moment. The market seems pretty tanked at the moment along with everything else. I was the winner of one those "low value , low quality domains" today and in my eyes it was a bargain.

 

[dee]

I'd say it's quite hard to argue you bought a high value, high quality domain for pretty much pennies (If it's high value), in a marketplace full of people searching for domains to profit on.

It doesn't really align.

It aligned for me. Its what i do for a living for the day job.

 

[WalkinDude]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAagtcAup0o

In this vid Zuckerberg giving an insight into Facebook's intentions for Oculus Headsets the potential of augmented glasses and no doubt contact lenses at some point.

If they can get it to work he reckons no one will have to bother buying a computer [defo plus for the environment] and related stuff anymore you'll just access it all via holograms and augmentation. Being skilled in decision making starts becoming a more prized ability than being skilled in the physical world.

Don't personally see any barriers to all this taking shape but did make me think what it would mean for domain names.

You see with what he is proposing search engines potentially will become less important, not because people won't need to search but because anyone will be able to offer searches especially the most frequent ones which are more localized.


This is currently what's happening on Instagram. Don't have any figures but when you follow someone on Instagram you can also see everything they are following and choose who you are going to follow from there as opposed to searching through the main search box. It's less taxing mentally than 'infinite choice' options which are known to be psychologically harmful.

Were things to stay as they are Domain values will continue to slide downwards but the technology coming highly suggests that things like web development will be done by AI, all your SEO etc, content auto uploaded as you go through your day no doubt, you'll get most of your recommendations off people you are familiar with which is more comforting.

Overall content itself becomes a level playing field and decentralized [early signs of that emerging] and at the point or the way I like to see it, in any case, is the only technical way you will be able to truly distinguish yourself for extra or ultimate digital kudos is your digital address. I.e. your domain name as it's the only thing they [platform provider] can't own. Seems to me in the future domain names may well be used in a completely different way to how they are thought of and used now because you can inherit a domain name whereas you can't inherit someone's FB account and people are eventually going to wake up to that.

Most people if they understood the choice would want all their life's digital efforts housed on their own domain name which they are 100% owner of to pass on to loved ones or sell to their own desires. It's the technology that isn't there at the moment but it seems to be on its way.

So overall I don't think domain prices are depressed or in a slump they are the value according to what can actually be done with them at this time. Should the technology change then domain prices could start heading north again.

 

[Ben Thomas]

Crazy conversation guys. You can't compare Flip to DL lol.

Flip is at where DL was 4/5 years ago. You can't compare Jeff Bezo's to the startup founder down the street.

 

[dee]

That's not what my point is.

If you're making a living selling low quality/value domains, that's perfectly fine. My only point is that it would be great if Flip can maybe find a way to attract high quality domains and try to find a way to have a little bit of quality control.

I think it'll get there. It seems like a great platform so far , and as people see stuff/buy stuff/ get used to checking there then it'll catch up. It's just numbers of bums on seats in front of it thats lacking at mo

 

[lazarus]

I don't know why @Edwin has written this when he doesn't use flip. Reviews should be about the whole user experience.

Seems a little spiteful to me to write a bad review in it's infancy.

I like to see and act on constructive criticism so we can all benefit. I wonder... why the intent?

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/flip.uk

 

[diablo]

I don't know why @Edwin has taken the time and written this when he doesn't use flip. Reviews should be about the whole user experience.

Seems a little spiteful to me to go out of his way to write a bad review in it's infancy.

I like to see and act on constructive criticism so we can all benefit. I wonder... why the intent?

Anyway... Nice job... Cheers mate!

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/flip.uk

Looks totally fake. Not Edwin's style at all.

 

[seemly]

I don't know why @Edwin has taken the time and written this when he doesn't use flip. Reviews should be about the whole user experience.

Seems a little spiteful to me to go out of his way to write a bad review in it's infancy.

I like to see and act on constructive criticism so we can all benefit. I wonder... why the intent?

Anyway... Nice job... Cheers mate!

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/flip.uk

Looking at the other reviews under Edwin's name on Trustpilot, I can't help but feel this is a fake account. All reviews made on the same day.

Strange that it targets known Acorn members, though. Other than the toupees online website review...