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flip.uk - .UK Domain Auctions and Marketplace

Discussion in 'Domain Tools' started by lazarus, May 3, 2020.

  1. Ben Thomas

    Ben Thomas Well-Known Member

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    Well, who else lacks such morals and decorum? It also seems to mention DomainLore as a better alternative. Though, perhaps you are right. Nobody could be that stupid.
     
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  3. seemly

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    Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying you're wrong. I just don't think it's him.

    Though I have no idea who else it could be, but you have a point - competition is pretty thin on the ground.
     
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  4. Ben Thomas

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    I think @Trauiner was right about the Toupee review. Seems to be an attack on Edwin, if anything.

    The reviews in whole seem to attack Edwin indirectly, whilst trying to impersonate him. Giving Rofe a good review to potentially point fingers at him, yet also mentioning DomainLore. Strange. Someone has too much time on their hands!
     
  5. WalkinDude United Kingdom

    WalkinDude Well-Known Member

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    Just regged Disinformation.uk. Could be big this domain in the future.
     
  6. lazarus

    lazarus Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    The mind boggles how low someone can go. Very childish.

    Anyone offering information as to who it is will be kept anonymous. I am sure myself and the real @Edwin would love to know.

    I'm positive it's not Denys. But whoever it is they obviously want to cause a stir.

    On a plus note another 5 start review!
     
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    philiporchard Well-Known Member Acorn Supporter

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    Yep, I doubt it's Denys.

    Would seem quite out of character from all my epxerience of dealing with him.
     
  8. WalkinDude United Kingdom

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    It's a provocation that should be ignored regardless of who it is.
     
  9. JMI

    JMI Active Member Acorn Supporter

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    I do genuinely wish flip best of luck, but I'm struggling to see any real usp or benefit over DL, and how that would change in 5 weeks or 5 years. Most of the people supporting flip seem to have a personal issue with DL. I hate Google's monopoly but I'm not dumping Adsense for the sake of it.
     
  10. CatchDrop United Kingdom

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    Off the top of my head three USP’S are

    Auction starting price under £50
    No fee if domain doesn’t sell
    No commission on sale price
     
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  11. JMI

    JMI Active Member Acorn Supporter

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    I'm not sure I'd really class those as benefits.

    You can't say just because one service if free it's better than a service that charges, that's like comparing Freeview with Sky.
    Auctions under £50 just promote tat - we can see that already.
    The same with the commission - if I want to auction something I wanted best price for I'd stick it on eBay and pay the fees - that's the price of fetching the best price.

    Also I'm not sure about auctioning premium domains through a service where there is no incentive to make any money by the owners. What's the point of running a business which costs time, money and resources to make no money?! If there's no incentive to make any money and it's being done on a purely altruistic basis for the sake of proving a point... then what incentive is there to spend time enforcing shill bids, getting more visibility, seo, transaction completions etc.
     
  12. Trauiner United Kingdom

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    I don't believe he said he plans to never make any money from it as a business? Just that there will be no cost to sell a domain.

    There's a lot of ways he can make money while still having the service free.

    If anything, there's a massive value to him in just having email access to hundreds (potentially tens of thousands eventually) of domain buyers/sellers.
     
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  13. Trauiner United Kingdom

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    As JMI said, I'm not sure they are USP's.

    Auction starting price under £50 - Not sure the ability to sell very low quality domains is a USP.

    No fee if domain doesn’t sell - Side effect of the above. If it's not selling, it's a rubbish domain and you're just being rewarded for not having good domains. (Unless it's a unrealistic reserve or something)

    No commission on sale price - This is a future USP if it achieves a better place in the marketplace. If domains are achieving the best price, then no commissions are good. But I would rather pay 10% commissions if I get £1,000 for my domain, rather than paying 0% commissions if it sold for £750.

    I would rather he makes money somewhere so there are funds to advertise, grow and attract more people to the marketplace.
     
  14. webber

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    Baby boomer comment right there
     
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    That's like saying I don't see the point in Lidl, Aldi, Asda, Tesco, Sainsbury's, Waitrose, Coop, etc, just because the others exist doesn't mean there shouldn't be other options and opportunities.

    Also; It doesn't matter what you think. The platform clearly isn't for you. Don't worry about it. Just move on and stick with Domainlore...
    I don't understand why you need to express your concerns about profit generation on a platform you've already said you're not going to use.

    Having more than one platform available can only be a good thing - for both buyers and sellers - especially if Flip get's given the opportunity to have some longevity.

    I also wouldn't say the quality of domains currently on offer or have been sold recently at Domainlore vary in quality so massively to justify your concerns over auctions with no minimum bid on Flip.

    Even if you take a look on Domainlore at "Top auction sales finalised recently". The sale prices for the quality of domain are surprising to say the least.
     
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  16. JMI

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    Gen X thankfully :)

    What makes you say that out of interest?
     
  17. lazarus

    lazarus Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    We see these lesser quality domains on every platform. A lesser quality domain is not necessarily so for someone else. A domains quality is subjective. Domains of higher quality get sent to the "Showcase" section. This is the quality control part. Id rather let everyone list anything than exclude based on perceived quality. It's the buyers that dictate a domains worth. If you don't want to view these then that's an easy fix, just keep to the Showcase section.

    The incentive was defined at the start of this project. To offer a feature rich platform that is free to all. I/we have created this with the input of the community.

    I regards to shill bids, visibility, seo, transaction completions.
    Shill bidders have already been found and dealt with.
    Visibility, Twitter, Acorn Domains auction feed. Soon to be on seemly.co.uk ( ;) )

    Our active member base is big now. Reaching a level market price compared to other platforms is not a problem. Trust me... the buyers are there, watching.
    The regulars that you would expect from a trader point of view have an account.
    The growing members are now SEO agency's, web development companies and end users that are finding domains in the marketplace.

    We managed to gain more marketplace domains in the first 2 months than a well established marketplace (Domain Manage) has currently got after being online for a few of years. I specific SEO domain section is a great resource too.

    Buyers will follow the domain they want. Nobody is not going to not bid because they have some tribal tie to another platform.

    If flip is not for you then that's fine. Nobody is twisting your arm to use it. But at least now you have a bonified alternative. Having choice is a good thing! Right now, we have lots of happy selllers and happy buyers and for me that's all that counts.

    If you have a good idea then let me know about it! I am open to all for constructive dialogue. Give me solutions instead of just the problems. That's just too easy... :cool: Even though I'd like to, I know I'm not going to please everyone, that's impossible.

    flip has come a long way in a short time, there is no denying that. It will continue to grow and be developed with the continued support and input of the community.

    Cheers! Laz
     
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  18. WalkinDude United Kingdom

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    With Stocks you have the Exchanges of different types, analysts, buyers/sellers, news, regulators and so on all doing separate distinct jobs and roles and any overlap is frowned upon.

    Domaining the buyers, sellers and exchanges are all moonlighting as the analysts and the regulator doesn't have any authority over aftermarket sales hence the chaos of views.
     
  19. DJ Wood United Kingdom

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    I lot of online retailers survive and do well despite Amazon's dominance.

    Competition is never a bad thing and there is obviously a place for both DL & Flip.

    It is also not a direct comparison as Flip also offers fixed price listings with landing pages. You can use this feature without ever using the auction platform.

    Perhaps we can get the discussion back on track and offer constructive feedback on how @lazarus can continue working hard on improving things.

    That reminds me, @lazarus did you see my comment about having an option to delete finished/closed listings?

    Cheers!
     
  20. DJ Wood United Kingdom

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    I will also make a list of features or additions that I would personally like to see added (I appreciate not all if any will be possible):

    1. An ability to filter auctions that have a reserve from the search.

    2. The ability to set the auction start price from £1-£500 for example. This will remove the need of a reserve altogether and might encourage people to bid and might stop people using the platform, with no intentions of actually selling it by setting a high reserve price, just to get a guide of what the domain might be worth.

    3. Limiting the amount of times somebody can re-publish a domain or make it a requirement that the price needs to be reduced or the reserve needs to be removed if no bids were placed. It gets a little boring seeing the same names cycling through at the same price or with a reserve even though they had no bids before. i.e. "Sorry we noticed that you have already listed this domain within the last 30 days with a starting price of £50. Please reduce the price by at least 20% of wait 30 days before relisting".

    Thanks!
     
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  21. WalkinDude United Kingdom

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    Yes, the idea I thought was to make suggestions to support what it is not redefine what it is to the point it's just a DL clone.

    One more of my own.

    Could there be a button enabling the domain owner to see with one click which domains have bids on them as that would save a bit of time?