domain enquiry - some people

[Edwin]

Or walk away.

 

[foz]

Anyone that sends me £0-99 offers I don't bother replying. It's just not worth my time and I know that negotiations will never get me anywhere near my desired selling point.

 

[Paullas]

Anyone that sends me £0-99 offers I don't bother replying. It's just not worth my time and I know that negotiations will never get me anywhere near my desired selling point.

yeah good point. think that will be my rule from now on.

 

[philiporchard]

I had a national media group contact me re. one of my geos. They told me that some domainers have over inflated ideas of value, and then asked me if I'd sell them one of my domains. Not likely!

Here is the one of the best that I have received.......

Whom it may concern

Domain name: "********.co.uk"

To keep it short, I am interested in the domain name ********.co.uk because it is where I live and the community wish to increase their online presence. Although our website would include some commercial aspects we cannot afford to pay for this domain. However I cannot imagine that any profitable traffic is directed from this address, so it would be in your interest to transfer it to us.

What a retard !!

 

[Paullas]

for a bit of fun
http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/general-board/67846-your-funniest-domain-enquiry.html#post244579

 

[Edwin]

Yes, I always love the people who "educate" me on the industry before asking me to sell them a domain (cheap). After all, I've only been involved with domains since 1996 - what do I know?

 

[James]

Unfortunately, I think the wider issue highlighted here is that the DRS policy has slightly ambiguous wording. This has been proven to assist complainants. His argument might sound ludicrous to all of us, but some appointed experts have historically used that DRS clause in the complainant's favour:

A. for the purposes of selling, renting or otherwise
transferring the Domain Name to the Complainant
or to a competitor of the Complainant, for valuable
consideration in excess of the Respondent’s
documented out-of-pocket costs directly associated
with acquiring or using the Domain Name;

The clause was created to crack down on cybersquatting, not to make it impossible for domainers to make a living, so in that respect it fails. It is too ambiguous. Nominet should be conscious of this and work in additional clause(s). It should explicitly state that:

i) buying and selling domain names for profit is a perfectly valid business model and is unobjectionable under the policy;

ii) It should only be considered as objectionable in circumstances where a domain name has been registered PURELY and ONLY for the purposes of selling to the owner of an corresponding trademark.

It is a shame that Nominet's wording is open to such manipulation. It can even be misinterpreted by the experts in DRS cases. I think this could certainly be mitigated or eliminated if Nominet improved the policy wording to reflect its original purpose. I guess they might have to step back and remember what that purpose was.

 

[Pred]

totally agree James
joke is our transfer fees paid for some limp brained solicitor to draw up the wording

nominet need to get their head and arse into gear on this
maybe one day wipo will too

 

[Slater]

Unfortunately, I think the wider issue highlighted here is that the DRS policy has slightly ambiguous wording. This has been proven to assist complainants. His argument might sound ludicrous to all of us, but some appointed experts have historically used that DRS clause in the complainant's favour:


The clause was created to crack down on cybersquatting, not to make it impossible for domainers to make a living, so in that respect it fails. It is too ambiguous. Nominet should be conscious of this and work in additional clause(s). It should explicitly state that:

i) buying and selling domain names for profit is a perfectly valid business model and is unobjectionable under the policy;

Section 4d of the DRS policy does state:

"trading in domain names for a profit, and holding a large porfolio of domain names, are themselves lawful activities.

ii) It should only be considered as objectionable in circumstances where a domain name has been registered PURELY and ONLY for the purposes of selling to the owner of an corresponding trademark.

Section 3a(i) of the DRS policy states that the sale of the domain name could only be considered abusive if it had been primarily registered with the intention to sell to the complainant.

 

[julian]

My best one said:

If you do not sell me this domain I will come round your house and kill you with my bare hands.

needless to say I sold him the domain pronto.

 

[Paullas]

I thought I'd post here, rather than start another thread, because it's kind of related to the original post but in reverse (i.e. it's about domainers who post on here rather than buyers who email domainers).

Paul - in your esingles.co.uk post, elsewhere, you put "Due to time wasters, people taking the piss and tyre kickers from a few acorn members im relisting the following domains. " at the start.

Why do you need to find an excuse for posting or reposting some domain names? I've probably seen that as an excuse to post many times before on here and I don't believe it. If I was advertiisng a domain name, or list of domain names, for sale on here I don't think I'd need to find any excuse to do so. As soon as I read that sentence, what I really think is nobody was interested so you had to concoct an excuse to make yourself feel okay about reposting the list.

You've also posted today, as a follow up with, "will leave these up for today then put them back in dev pile". Oh come on! There is no "dev pile". If you want to develop something, you'll develop it. If you get an offer then you'll consider it, factoring in your financial needs and any development costs you may have incurred. The idea of there being a seperate "dev" pile is another one of the "make myself feel better about posting/bumping" isn't it?

I don't think anyone should need to write an excuse for posting a list of domain names. If you want to advertise something for sale, then just do it. If someone wants to buy it, they'll make an offer. The more excuses I read, the more desperate I think someone is so if I were interested I'd use that to my advantage.

What do others here think?

i started the thread for a joke, i didnt realise i would get slagged off. this is the exact reasons why 50% of the long standing members dont post on here anymore as it is people like you who always put people down. do us all a favour, if you have nothing constructive to say keep your comments and views of other members to yourself.

 

[rob]

if you have nothing constructive to say keep your comments and views of other members to yourself.

The more excuses I read, the more desperate I think someone is so if I were interested I'd use that to my advantage.

^ that bit I would say was constructive.

I do agree though there is times when I dont feel like posting here anymore as its a waste of time.

Your 'I have updated twitter' thread is one such occasion. To me IMHO that is the wrong way around, post names on a thread then update twitter to say so rather than having a twitter feed full of names and bumping a thread to tell people to check twitter. Thats like calling someone to say 'you have email'. This opinion is based on selling about £6k's worth of names via people I have 'met' on twitter.

I didnt post that as I am 99% sure it would be taken the wrong way and you would kick off about it.

As with the post - it is being constructive and contains helpful message just take it as it is meant as not everyone is out to get you. It takes time and effort to post, I would say the real reason people have cut down being helpful is that people are too touchy over comments.

 

[Paullas]

^ that bit I would say was constructive.

I do agree though there is times when I dont feel like posting here anymore as its a waste of time.

Your 'I have updated twitter' thread is one such occasion. To me IMHO that is the wrong way around, post names on a thread then update twitter to say so rather than having a twitter feed full of names and bumping a thread to tell people to check twitter. Thats like calling someone to say 'you have email'. This opinion is based on selling about £6k's worth of names via people I have 'met' on twitter.

I didnt post that as I am 99% sure it would be taken the wrong way and you would kick off about it.

As with the post - it is being constructive and contains helpful message just take it as it is meant as not everyone is out to get you. It takes time and effort to post, I would say the real reason people have cut down being helpful is that people are too touchy over comments.

i was wondering when you would come out of the woodwork...

 

[foz]

People can say what they wish with sales, its personal choice.

Any domain buyer with good judgement will look past all the surrounding noise and focus on the domains.

 

[rob]

i was wondering when you would come out of the woodwork...

As someone better than me said "this is the exact reasons why 50% of the long standing members dont post on here anymore".

Might as well top this off by deleting some posts / thread and have the full Acorn cycle complete

 

[Paullas]

As someone better than me said "this is the exact reasons why 50% of the long standing members dont post on here anymore".

Might as well top this off by deleting some posts / thread and have the full Acorn cycle complete

na no point.

 

[stevebrowne]

I have a dev pile. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Obvioulsy if someone approaches me with cash money then I might chnage that view, but stuff on my dev pile I won;t generally try and sell.

 

[foz]

Perhaps admin will come in now and make a closing synopsis and close the thread entirely?

 

[rob]

Perhaps admin will come in now and make a closing synopsis and close the thread entirely?

Nah - Mat needs to pop in with an apt yet funny pic first

 

[Skinner]

I rarely buy names I don't have a dev plan or least an idea for, so technically ALL my names are on the dev pile, I just get lazy and dev what ever I can be bothered.

I think only about 20-25% of my list of names was bought with the intention to sell as domains only, about 50-60% bought to put a site on and sell OR sell with a site built for businesses after, the remainder are for me to keep long term to generate regular income.

There are some I bought just because I liked them, or I had clearly been bumped on the head and wasn't thinking right, but most have a plan.