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  1. Edwin

    Edwin Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    I don't think they'll do it that way, otherwise their stated algorithm for determining .uk allocation would break under a scenario in which a qualified .org.uk drops between 28/10 and launch, but gets re-regged before launch. If they do a simple test like you're suggesting, they'll miss some edge cases. But it's all just fiddling with SQL queries against their database in any - not particularly hard.
     
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  3. invincible

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    I wonder how many instances there were of .{me|ltd|plc}.uk domain names registered prior to 23:59:59 on 28th October 2013 where no matching .co.uk or .org.uk registration existed. Those instances could be in the single digits. I don't believe Nominet has decided what to do in those limited circumstances. It would make any decision even more difficult if a matching instance of only a .me.uk and a .ltd.uk existed prior to 23:59:59 on 28th October 2013. Fortunately I doubt there are many instances of that at all.
     
  4. Edwin

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    If it's only 1 extension, that extension will get it. For example, if there was a .me.co.uk but no .co.uk or .org.uk then the .me.uk will get it. If there was a ltd.co.uk but no .co.uk or .org.uk then likewise.

    Where things get sticky, as you pointed out, is if there are more than 1 minor extensions yet neither .org.uk nor .co.uk domains. For example, both .me.uk AND .ltd.uk but no .co.uk or .org.uk...

    Perhaps the secret is that there aren't any at all? Only Nominet know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.
     
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    Register now

    If they registered the .co.uk now they would get the equivalent .uk at launch.
     
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    I assume so. Is there a definite clarification of that in any of the FAQ's (i.e. where a {.me|ltd|plc|net}.uk was registered prior to 23:59:59 on 28th October 2013 and no matching .co.uk or .org.uk was registered, none of those registations are entitled to the matching .uk (but whoever subsquently registered/registers the matching .co.uk anytime after 23:59:59 on 28th October 2013 is entitled to the matching .uk)?
     
  7. Edwin

    Edwin Well-Known Member Exclusive Member

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    Not true. As per Nominet:

    The text that I've highlighted in bold makes it clear(ish) that other extensions other than .co.uk/.org.uk have under very limited conditions the right to the .uk. If Nominet only included .co.uk and .org.uk in the "all domains" they wouldn't use the expression "two or more" further on, because you can't have "or more" if you're only talking about .co.uk and .org.uk.
     
  8. invincible

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    Until we know of any actual examples of {.me|ltd|plc|net}.uk that were registered prior to 23:59:59 on 28th October 2013 where no matching .{co|org}.uk was also registered, I am not going to concern myself with it. If such examples existed they might not even make it into the double digits. If someone produces a list, I'll take more of an interest :)
     
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  9. Stephen United Kingdom

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    just in case

    Quite right, you are correct, thanks for pointing it out.

    However as sometimes the Q & A have subtly changed over time, if I had a .me.uk and it was important to me to get the .uk and I was apparently the only UK tld registered on 28-10-2013 with that string, I would register the equivalent .co.uk to be more surer to get the .uk, just in case more different clarification can later.
     
  10. Edwin

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    That would be pretty weird though, wouldn't it? If I was that keen on the .uk but I'd been ignoring the .co.uk sitting available all along, and everyone else in the world kept on ignoring it too.

    Not saying it can't happen, just trying to imagine how it could...
     
  11. Stephen United Kingdom

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    Better email

    If I had an email address myname.me.uk but the .co.uk never appealed as it is for business BUT the myname.uk does appeal as it would make a much better email address for me.

    I do accept that most UK surnames are registered at the .co.uk level so even with my example, it still would not be mainstream situation.
     
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    Just catching up on all this! Can I check, there is a .co.uk domain that I've not registered because the .uk domain for it is the one I actually want. There isn't a .org.uk or .me.uk registered either, so if I register the .co.uk now, does that give me first refusal in summer 2014 on the basis that there was no contention at the time (today), or would it then become an issue if someone else registered the .org.uk or .me.uk between now and summer 2014?

    What I'm trying to say would be does the uncontended status apply from the date I buy the .co.uk domain, or until the .uk's are available in summer next year?
     
  13. invincible

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    Register the .co.uk now and you will be entitled to the .uk from launch.


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  14. Edwin

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    If nothing's registered now then if you register the .co.uk you will have the right to the .uk.
     
  15. Stephen United Kingdom

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    definitive list ?

    Is there a definitive list of all UK tld's that count ,to ensure nothing is registered or do we wait until February or the new Nominet checking tool is released in early 2014?

    In V2 Nominet started with .sch.uk which was later removed
    and originally omitted .net.uk.

    As .ac.uk although not part of Nominet, did argue they should have rights?
     
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    Nothing other than co.uk and org.uk has been specifically referenced by Noninet, yet.


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    All domains that were current on 28th October 2013

    From Nominet Q & A

    I would take that means any other UK domain not just .co.uk and .org.uk?
     
  18. invincible

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    Been over this elsewhere. :) Yet to be clarified. Has anyone yet been able to example some .{ltd|me|plc|net}.uk domain names that were registered at 23:59:59 on 28th October 2013 when the matching .{co|org}.uk were not?


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  19. Systreg Portugal

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    Still seeking thoughts/clarification on this, to use a previous example:

    It appears from posts a few pages back that Nominet have updated their Q & A to say:

    I take it that as bluewidgets.co.uk existed on Oct 28th, because it was still "renewal required" at that point, therefore, when it drops after the Oct 28th cut off point and is caught, this means that this domain and all other .co.uk's dropping after Oct 28th are guaranteed to get the .UK, as long as they existed before the 28th, even if needing renewal at that point?

    I sent Nominet an email about it but obviously wont hear back until at least Monday.
     
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  20. invincible

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    Forget whether a .co.uk domain name was previously registered or not. It's not actually relevant because any .co.uk registered after 28th October 2013 is entitled to the matching .uk domain name up until the launch date of .uk when .uk will go FCFS unless the matching .org.uk was also registered prior to 23:59:59 on 28th October 2013 and is still registered up until launch date.
     
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  21. Systreg Portugal

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    Did you read my bluewidgets example incorrectly?

    How is it not relevant that the .co.uk was previously registered or not? As stated in my example, a matching org.uk was also registered prior to Oct 28th, so it's a requirement that the .co.uk was registered prior to, or on Oct 28 up to 11:59:59 so that it "existed" at that cut off point, the example was:

    No, it's not "any .co.uk", just to point out, there's a big difference between "new" and "dropping" .co.uk domains being registered after Oct 28th.

    Where you say, any .co.uk registered after Oct 28th is entitled to the .UK if no other matching domain existed prior to Oct 28th, that's only in the case of "new" .co.uk registrations where that .co.uk hasn't been previously registered before, then it would be entitled to the .Uk as long as it wasn't registered in another suffix prior to Oct 28th.

    The actual question was, as the bluewidgets.co.uk was registered before the Oct 28th cut off point, and as there was also an org.uk registered at the same point, even though the .co.uk was at the "renewal needed" stage on the 28th, it's still classed as an existing name? So that when it drops after Oct 28th, it then regains the entitlement to register the .UK as per:

     
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