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more analogy..
When making up the consultation form lets reverse engineer the questions, so whatever answers come in
we can use the results to state that they support the proposal.
Let’s also not get any expert independent opinions, economic impact study,
safety report or point out any potential adverse consequences of our proposal.
Let’s not get the DVLA to contact all car owners as that would be too much trouble and expense,
anyway we know best and it is our job to look after the motorist.
Let’s only consult road builders, sign makers, car salesman
i.e. people that will benefit from the new change.
When making up the consultation form lets reverse engineer the questions, so whatever answers come in
we can use the results to state that they support the proposal.
Let’s also not get any expert independent opinions, economic impact study,
safety report or point out any potential adverse consequences of our proposal.
Let’s not get the DVLA to contact all car owners as that would be too much trouble and expense,
anyway we know best and it is our job to look after the motorist.
Let’s only consult road builders, sign makers, car salesman
i.e. people that will benefit from the new change.
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EGM resolution
Maybe EGM resolution would be specific as to "no introduction of the .uk" until a fuller and complete
research stage is carried out and an additional wider consultation stage.
Secondly (with regret) no confidence in the Nominet Board or Executive and looking
for resignations over the whole handling of this flawed process.
Is it possible to obtain the list of UK registrars emails so can canvas opinion
and encourage them to enter into the debate.
Maybe EGM resolution would be specific as to "no introduction of the .uk" until a fuller and complete
research stage is carried out and an additional wider consultation stage.
Secondly (with regret) no confidence in the Nominet Board or Executive and looking
for resignations over the whole handling of this flawed process.
Is it possible to obtain the list of UK registrars emails so can canvas opinion
and encourage them to enter into the debate.
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Drs d00011983 lego
Is there a change in DRS policy as Legorus.co.uk which was used by a Lego
enthusiast and his son as a website to show of photographs of his models
(nothing for sale) has been deemed too similar to lego.co.uk which redirects to lego.com.
I thought genuine enthusiast websites like DrWho.co.uk were allowed even though BBC has the trademark?
http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Collector-told-to-Lego-of-his-domain-name-06122012.htm
What will happen with mybrand.uk and mybrand.co.uk – DRS will be swamped with cases
as Nominet have stated they will allow cases from .co.uk owners againist .uk owners
regardless of which auction they acquired the domain in.
Is there a change in DRS policy as Legorus.co.uk which was used by a Lego
enthusiast and his son as a website to show of photographs of his models
(nothing for sale) has been deemed too similar to lego.co.uk which redirects to lego.com.
I thought genuine enthusiast websites like DrWho.co.uk were allowed even though BBC has the trademark?
http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Collector-told-to-Lego-of-his-domain-name-06122012.htm
What will happen with mybrand.uk and mybrand.co.uk – DRS will be swamped with cases
as Nominet have stated they will allow cases from .co.uk owners againist .uk owners
regardless of which auction they acquired the domain in.
Anybody notice that when you give an email address verbally, before you have finished most people say is that a .com or .co.uk
co.uk is popular and rolls off the tongue.
I notice today someone using .ac on their vehicle.
I would not advise using this because explaining that it's a domain extension to someone is tedious, some people will probably still type the.co.uk in after it, I believe the companies who are using foreign url's are making a mistake but if the co.uk brand is diluted It is going to happen more and the identity will be lost.
And what better sell to a new registrant than, look if you buy .uk.com you don't have to buy the .uk and co.uk.
co.uk is popular and rolls off the tongue.
I notice today someone using .ac on their vehicle.
I would not advise using this because explaining that it's a domain extension to someone is tedious, some people will probably still type the.co.uk in after it, I believe the companies who are using foreign url's are making a mistake but if the co.uk brand is diluted It is going to happen more and the identity will be lost.
And what better sell to a new registrant than, look if you buy .uk.com you don't have to buy the .uk and co.uk.
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Don't think that's ever been a policy of the DRS, each case is different. Plus the guy didn't even respond to the DRS to put his side across.
Grant
Even more poignant. Didn't take the time to look at each mark. Had assumed an entity like that would have their "rights" in order.
Was wishing to put it in my submission, and whether it had any validity in an EGM scenario. I think a large number of Registrars especially the ones controlling the vote will welcome another "product" to sell and one that businesses will feel obliged to purchase to protect their name. It's a license to print money really. Nominet and Registrars are the winners in this.
Does Nominet's stance/mantra of not-for-profit protect them from paying Tax?
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Their trademarks are for "The Guardian", a seemingly tiny yet ultimately gigantic difference.
The Mirror and Evening Standard are in the same boat as they have no TM protection for "mirror" and "standard" respectively! See http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/alexatop500.pdf for details...
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Registrars
Hoping to get one of the big UK registrars to see sense.
Ratners (CRAP when describing their product and treating their clients with distain) amongest others
forget about the client interest at their peril.
If one breaks ranks they may all be forced to follow, as otherwise
they will be seen to be acting in their interests not their customers.
The volume of UK registrars seem to be for domainers and companies that
protect there own uk domains plus lots of small design / hosting companies.
We need to see if we can get to the volume of sensible registrars and
put the aurguments to them
and get their support in changing Nominet at the top before more damage is done.
Hoping to get one of the big UK registrars to see sense.
Ratners (CRAP when describing their product and treating their clients with distain) amongest others
forget about the client interest at their peril.
If one breaks ranks they may all be forced to follow, as otherwise
they will be seen to be acting in their interests not their customers.
The volume of UK registrars seem to be for domainers and companies that
protect there own uk domains plus lots of small design / hosting companies.
We need to see if we can get to the volume of sensible registrars and
put the aurguments to them
and get their support in changing Nominet at the top before more damage is done.
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Tax
Nominet does pay UK corporation tax as it is limited company.
Last published accounts ye 30-11-2011 tax paid £1.4 million.
http://www.nominet.org.uk/search/site/accounts
Nominet does pay UK corporation tax as it is limited company.
Last published accounts ye 30-11-2011 tax paid £1.4 million.
http://www.nominet.org.uk/search/site/accounts
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I get the feeling registrars hate the verification aspects of the proposal (too much admin and customer service hassle) and love everything else about it, so watch out for a "revised" proposal with a slightly lower annual registration fee but no verification requirement because that would likely get unanimous approval from the major registrar stakeholders.
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The Future
Shows companies are still evolving their thinking about using domains/internet, as all those
business have their trademarks registered many years ago.
All 3 newspapers have registered their domains before 1996:
but have only in the last few years (before that may not have qualified as prior use!) really decided that online
for newspapers was going to be a direction they wanted to go in.
There will be many situations out there that Nominet have not considered,
which will be advserely effected by their proposal.
These business have the finances to move from .co.uk and get there own tld's and create their own internet brands.
The movement of so many famous and volume domains that currently use .co.uk
will mean less use of UK domains and its ultimate dillution as a brand.
If only Nominet could see what they have started and for what real benefits?
Shows companies are still evolving their thinking about using domains/internet, as all those
business have their trademarks registered many years ago.
All 3 newspapers have registered their domains before 1996:
- Guardian.co.uk
- Mirror.co.uk
- Standard.co.uk
but have only in the last few years (before that may not have qualified as prior use!) really decided that online
for newspapers was going to be a direction they wanted to go in.
There will be many situations out there that Nominet have not considered,
which will be advserely effected by their proposal.
These business have the finances to move from .co.uk and get there own tld's and create their own internet brands.
The movement of so many famous and volume domains that currently use .co.uk
will mean less use of UK domains and its ultimate dillution as a brand.
If only Nominet could see what they have started and for what real benefits?
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Main UK Registrars
Well at least Nominet may be listening to somebody!
Nominet indicate that address verification has the major part of the security costs, but would never release the figures. But it could be more than 50% of the entire cost.
If websites went down with malware suspension it would be the registrars that would get the brunt of anger and calls?
Main registrars would like to see the security rolled out to other extensions or have security features as best practice so they could sell more add on's, that was mentioned in the Nominet London meeting.
Well at least Nominet may be listening to somebody!
Nominet indicate that address verification has the major part of the security costs, but would never release the figures. But it could be more than 50% of the entire cost.
If websites went down with malware suspension it would be the registrars that would get the brunt of anger and calls?
Main registrars would like to see the security rolled out to other extensions or have security features as best practice so they could sell more add on's, that was mentioned in the Nominet London meeting.
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Very sorry about that. Here's the corrected list of resources to read...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media-net...og/2012/dec/13/nominet-plans-direct-uk-domain
http://econsultancy.com/jp/blog/11161-is-nominet-s-uk-proposal-a-tax-on-the-digital-economy
http://www.business2community.com/o...-high-risk-plan-to-rebrand-uk-domains-0336047
http://www.david-carter.com/uk-and-the-small-business-dilemma
http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/
http://www.ukproposal.org.uk/
http://www.notagreatplacetobe.org.uk/
Below is from Nominets website dated 18 Dec 2012
Is the last alternative of "not going ahead at all" a new suggestion ?
What happens after the consultation?
After the consultation closes on 7th January, a summary of the consultation feedback received will be produced by the Secretariat and considered by the Board at their next meeting on 26th February. This will be also published on the Nominet website.
Once the Board has reviewed the feedback, they will consider the best way forward. They may take a view to go down one of several routes to an eventual product, including a direct.uk product with a different set of features, or a different release process. There is also the possibility that we might not go ahead with direct.uk at all.
Depending on the outcome of those assessments, we may look for further stakeholder views. Any Board decisions on this will be included in the official communiqué following the meeting.
http://www.nominet.org.uk/news/latest/directuk-consultation-closes-7-january-–-give-us-your-views
Is the last alternative of "not going ahead at all" a new suggestion ?
What happens after the consultation?
After the consultation closes on 7th January, a summary of the consultation feedback received will be produced by the Secretariat and considered by the Board at their next meeting on 26th February. This will be also published on the Nominet website.
Once the Board has reviewed the feedback, they will consider the best way forward. They may take a view to go down one of several routes to an eventual product, including a direct.uk product with a different set of features, or a different release process. There is also the possibility that we might not go ahead with direct.uk at all.
Depending on the outcome of those assessments, we may look for further stakeholder views. Any Board decisions on this will be included in the official communiqué following the meeting.
http://www.nominet.org.uk/news/latest/directuk-consultation-closes-7-january-–-give-us-your-views
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What next?
Thanks.
Do you subscribe to a Nominet service to get website update so fast?
It is good news indeed but would like to know if Nominet are brave enough to issue the summary on the website before the Board discusses it?
Also good news they are omitting the possibility that the .uk proposal will go ahead in its amended original form (after removing the illegal "must be in the UK" orignal clause).
I would urge us all not to give up and try to get more submissions on the principle of .uk and views if they go for " Whether direct.uk should be treated as a new, distinct product within the .uk portfolio "
Thanks.
Do you subscribe to a Nominet service to get website update so fast?
It is good news indeed but would like to know if Nominet are brave enough to issue the summary on the website before the Board discusses it?
Also good news they are omitting the possibility that the .uk proposal will go ahead in its amended original form (after removing the illegal "must be in the UK" orignal clause).
I would urge us all not to give up and try to get more submissions on the principle of .uk and views if they go for " Whether direct.uk should be treated as a new, distinct product within the .uk portfolio "
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