.UK Announced

[websaway]

I think nominet should come out from behind the cloak they have created and admit that issuing the united kingdom business namespace on a sub domain was clever, but a mistake. Other countries done it as it should be .nl .fr .de
Perhaps now as a way to overcome the problem that they have created, and which would be fair to all of their loyal customers is to transfer the co.uk to uk, give all co.uk owners the .uk equivalent and appologise for the inconvenience it's inevitably going to cause. It could happen over a 5 year period whereas by the end of that period the co.uk would be totally withdrawn and everyone who has been allocated a .uk domain has to use it.
Hard on Nominet ?
Not half as hard as their proposals to overcome their shortsightedness is on us co.uk users.

 

[Marcoose]

I think nominet should come out from behind the cloak they have created and admit that issuing the united kingdom business namespace on a sub domain was clever, but a mistake. Other countries done it as it should be .nl .fr .de
Perhaps now as a way to overcome the problem that they have created, and which would be fair to all of their loyal customers is to transfer the co.uk to uk, give all co.uk owners the .uk equivalent and appologise for the inconvenience it's inevitably going to cause. It could happen over a 5 year period whereas by the end of that period the co.uk would be totally withdrawn and everyone who has been allocated a .uk domain has to use it.
Hard on Nominet ?
Not half as hard as their proposals to overcome their shortsightedness is on us co.uk users.

This, this, and this. This REALLY is the right thing to do if they have to do anything.

 

[monaghan]

I think nominet should come out from behind the cloak they have created and admit that issuing the united kingdom business namespace on a sub domain was clever, but a mistake.

Was it Nominet's decision? My main .co.uk was several years pre-Nominet. Nominet are not perfect, but you can't blame them for everything

 

[websaway]

Was it Nominet's decision? My main .co.uk was several years pre-Nominet. Nominet are not perfect, but you can't blame them for everything

Point taken.
But one thing is for certain, it's not the loyal customers doing.

 

[monaghan]

Agreed.

We're too far down the line to move to a .uk, we should be promoting and using the existing .ltd.uk & .plc.uk if people want a validated domain or they should be offering an optional additional validation certificate on ALL existing domains (after all, charities and other non-profits may well want to present a validation)

 

[dashu1]

I didn't realise but there are already some .uk's in use aren't there, like parliament.uk

 

[arkvard]

I didn't realise but there are already some .uk's in use aren't there, like parliament.uk

Yeah I did mention that back on page 49 but no one commented on it.

Isn't everyone forgetting that .uk existed in the beginning long before Nominet got involved in the form of nhs.uk, jet.uk, bl.uk, parliament.uk, nic.uk etc etc and still does, and just now they have decided to open it up to everyone.

 

[anthony]

As a way of satisfying the needs of an individual, company or organisation, and to stop hoarding, them maybe ONE grandfather right could be allowed per person or legal entity. Given that Nominet are going to be vetting the process (not at their cost remember, they are charging for this after all), then this should be the only concession to existing registrants.

They should also ban the resale on .uk on the open market, including by the likes of Sedo etc.

 

[BG]

.UK Domains Released.

Perhaps now as a way to overcome the problem that they have created, and which would be fair to all of their loyal customers is to transfer the co.uk to uk, give all co.uk owners the .uk equivalent and appologise for the inconvenience it's inevitably going to cause. It could happen over a 5 year period whereas by the end of that period the co.uk would be totally withdrawn and everyone who has been allocated a .uk domain has to use it.

That is exactly what they should do, and if they didn't do this domainers and businesses alike should join forces to voice their opinions as it will effect them greatly if not released correctly.

Many times over the years domainers have tried to create associations to combat issues they have had with Nominet... If there was ever a time to create one of these associations again it's now imo as you would also get the support of the business world too.

Personally i dont think the process needs to be complicated at all though .e.g.

Sunrise A >

1. Nominet Offer the .UK to the to all the people who own the .CO.UK first. This should be offered at the standard registration price because imo they have to charge as that's just business.

2. If the registered owners of the .CO.UK decide not to buy the .UK version it opens up to the public, simples.

If they wanted to complicate things they could add another level "Sunrise B" whereby people could apply for the names that others decided not to buy in the "Sunrise A". If you had more than two applicants applying for the same name you simply put it to auction. After this stage had taken place it would then open up to the public and names would be sold on a first come first serve basis, job done

Seriously it doesn't need to be complicated and by doing the above it would show Nominet are trying to work with the .co.uk owners rather than against them

Just my thoughts guys...

Barry

 

[kate-brownhill]

What normally happens after the sunrise period? Does it just go to general sale? First come first serve? I presume most big registrars will be down/very unresponsive do to traffic and searches etc?

 

[redbird]

I didn't realise but there are already some .uk's in use aren't there, like parliament.uk

BL.uk is one of the best

 

[redbird]

I think nominet should come out from behind the cloak they have created and admit that issuing the united kingdom business namespace on a sub domain was clever, but a mistake. Other countries done it as it should be .nl .fr .de
Perhaps now as a way to overcome the problem that they have created, and which would be fair to all of their loyal customers is to transfer the co.uk to uk, give all co.uk owners the .uk equivalent and appologise for the inconvenience it's inevitably going to cause. It could happen over a 5 year period whereas by the end of that period the co.uk would be totally withdrawn and everyone who has been allocated a .uk domain has to use it.
Hard on Nominet ?
Not half as hard as their proposals to overcome their shortsightedness is on us co.uk users.

What about all the time and money spent on offsite SEO (over several years in a lot of cases) getting top rankings on Google. The .uk would have to start from scratch unless you can convince google to just swap them over, can't see that happening.

 

[websaway]

People build sites and register variants for security, they can also register similar names of high quality to direct to the sites for ease of search, so not having to rely on expensive advertising and rule changing search engines to be visited.

This can ultra legitimatly result in one person owning 100 names.

 

[websaway]

BL.uk is one of the best

That's an interesting coincidence, I'm getting a lot of type in visits from British Library.

 

[Edwin]

People build sites and register variants for security, they can also register similar names of high quality to direct to the sites for ease of search, so not having to rely on expensive advertising and rule changing search engines to be visited.

This can ultra legitimatly result in one person owning 100 names.

The domain aftermarket operates 100% within the framework of rules laid down by Nominet's governance of the .co.uk namespace. Therefore one entity can "ultra legitimately" own thousands or tens of thousands of domains.

It is unconscionable to have "one rule for domain investors" and "one rule for EVERYONE else" because that would make explicit the fact that Nominet is directly targetting the secondary market and those entities that invest in it.

The issue is mega-simple: all these years, Nominet has sold .co.uk as the domain for business. And businesses have heeded that business and "bought in" by the millions - then spent BILLIONS branding .co.uk along with their specific web addresses.

The success, strength, trust and recognition of .co.uk (which Nominet has been at pains to document every year) lie therefore squarely at the feet of all the .co.uk domain owners because it's their collective effort - far, far more than Nominet's own efforts - that made .co.uk what it is today (and gave Nominet a successful and ever-growing business)

And now Nominet is proposing to erase 16 years of web history and throw all these millions of businesses under the bus in pursuit of a cash windfall from introducing .uk.

.co.uk is the extension for businesses
.uk is the extension for businesses
therefore (no rocket science here) .co.uk owners should get first crack at .uk

Barry puts it very clearly above

 

[websaway]

The domain aftermarket operates 100% within the framework of rules laid down by Nominet's governance of the .co.uk namespace. Therefore one entity can "ultra legitimately" own thousands or tens of thousands of domains.

It is unconscionable to have "one rule for domain investors" and "one rule for EVERYONE else" because that would make explicit the fact that Nominet is directly targetting the secondary market and those entities that invest in it.

It would not necessarily be one rule for one and one rule for another, it may just be that the rules favour some more than others, cloaked of course.

The point I am making is that anyone who buys at least one domain or as many domains as they need for their purpose are domain investors.
You invest in a name to build a website.

 

[websaway]

BL.uk is one of the best

Wonder how the proposals relate to the solicitors firm that bought
BL.co.uk

 

[anthony]

.co.uk is the extension for businesses
.uk is the extension for businesses
therefore (no rocket science here) .co.uk owners should get first crack at .uk

Barry puts it very clearly above

Sorry, but Nominet have also run a selective process for .ltd.uk for years, you've never pointed out the unfairness of that in the past. You're only doing it now because unlike .ltd.uk, you consider .uk as a threat to your portfolio.

It is dillusional to even think that Nominet are going to hand the medium to large portfolio owners the .uk versions, they'd get ripped to bits. In business terms, you've speculated and bought your current domains, that's the way of the world!

 

[GreyWing]

Sorry, but Nominet have also run a selective process for .ltd.uk for years, you've never pointed out the unfairness of that in the past. You're only doing it now because unlike .ltd.uk, you consider .uk as a threat to your portfolio.

It is dillusional to even think that Nominet are going to hand the medium to large portfolio owners the .uk versions, they'd get ripped to bits. In business terms, you've speculated and bought your current domains, that's the way of the world!

The .ltd.uk version is run alongside not like the proposed .uk version which will be run in front of, so that is not a like for like comparison.

Nobody is asking them to hand them to large portfolio owners. An option would be to keep the status quo or migrate the .co.uk to .uk

Speculation and development requires a stable platform, Nominet's job is to provide a stable platform. With this current proposal they have destabilised the platform thus harming investment onto the platform in both speculation or in my case development.

Even the stock market (the centre of speculation) has rules against activities that destabilise the market because the platform on the stock market also provides investment in other areas. Can't just have a free for all or nobody would ever invest because the goal posts keep moving.

So I don't think your conclusions are accurate

 

[Edwin]

.ltd.uk is a red herring. It has been limited to ltd companies from the very beginning and has never been a mass market extension. It is "fit for purpose" as its particular purpose is defined (a way for ltd companies to highlight their ltd status) and .uk does nothing to change that.