.UK Announced

[getmein]

Perhaps they'll replace 2631283 ("A great place to be' ) with 'Once a great place to have been'.

 

[julian]

www.eat.co.jp

www.eat.jp


www.toy.co.jp

www.toy.jp

 

[markb]

Noticed Nominet are still promoting their agreatplacetobe campaign for .co.uk addresses on their homepage.

It doesnt look like a great place to be at the moment due to nominet's own proposals.

 

[foz]

Noticed Nominet are still promoting their agreatplacetobe campaign for .co.uk addresses on their homepage.

I noticed they brought that back in a couples of weeks into the consultation. The new site launch didn't have those .co.uk graphics on the homepage. It was all .uk branding.

 

[Systreg]

What I don't get is, Nominet is saying this new .UK is being aimed at UK business, if so, why would they allow anyone and everyone to register .UK domains?

The new .UK domains should not be available to anyone except a proper registered company who can supply evidence of their active business, nobody else apart from a legitimate UK businesses would require them, so, domainers (even those with domaining type businesses), the man in the street and anyone else, without a valid company, should not be allowed to register them, after all, they aren't a company, so why would they need to own builder.uk or any other generic names.

 

[websaway]

What I don't get is, Nominet is saying this new .UK is being aimed at UK business, if so, why would they allow anyone and everyone to register .UK domains?

The new .UK domains should not be available to anyone except a proper registered company who can supply evidence of their active business, nobody else apart from a legitimate UK businesses would require them, so, domainers (even those with domaining type businesses), the man in the street and anyone else, without a valid company, should not be allowed to register them, after all, they aren't a company, so why would they need to own builder.uk or any other generic names.

It's about product churning and product churning is about extracting unnecessary expense ( for the benefit of the churner ) from the same customers who don't need or require the additional product. The only beneficiary is the supplier of the product.

 

[Systreg]

It's about product churning and product churning is about extracting unnecessary expense ( for the benefit of the churner ) from the same customers who don't need or require the additional product. The only beneficiary is the supplier of the product.

Yeah, I know it's about churning to make more money for the not for profit Nominet.

Above, where I said, "what I don't get is", that was just me being a bit sarcastic, if .UK really is for the benefit of UK business, then it should be available for UK businesses only, this appears to be just for Nominet to make shed loads of money, proper double standards from Nominet, it's for UK business, but anyone can buy them really, even if you're not a business

They should price .UK at something like £200 a year for businesses to register a domain, a small price to pay for a legitimate business to secure a domain/s they need.

 

[websaway]

Yeah, I know it's about churning to make more money for the not for profit Nominet.

Above, where I said, "what I don't get is", that was just me being a bit sarcastic, if .UK really is for the benefit of UK business, then it should be available for UK businesses only, this appears to be just for Nominet to make shed loads of money, proper double standards from Nominet, it's for UK business, but anyone can buy them really, even if you're not a business

Not wanting to revisit old comments but remember the whole objective is cloaked in the issue of security. It's pathetic.

Picked this out of a nominet document.

Quote "With our registrars we will serve all UK Internet users equitably and fairly"

Better start by writing to all nameholders explaining how you intend to shaft them.

 

[anthony]

Absolutely! If this isn't about money, then they need to prove it.

On that I wouldn't agree to be honest. There are lots of costs that businesses have to cover, £200 (plus VAT) is heavy to say the least. This isn't a tax after all, so no need to make it feel like one.

 

[Systreg]

On that I wouldn't agree to be honest. There are lots of costs that businesses have to cover, £200 (plus VAT) is heavy to say the least. This isn't a tax after all, so no need to make it feel like one.

I think businesses would rather pay Nominet £200 a year instead of paying £x,xxx or £xx,xxx to someone who regged the name before them, purely to make a profit from them.

 

[websaway]

I think businesses would rather pay Nominet £200 a year instead of paying £x,xxx or £xx,xxx to someone who regged the name before them, purely to make a profit from them.

But isn't there already a ltd.uk and plc.uk in place for precisely that reason.

 

[Edwin]

As I've posted before, you can't change the rules of a game at the 11th hour 59th minute just because the outcome's not looking like what you hoped it would be.

At least, not so long as all the players are playing BY THE RULES.

Any attempt by Nominet and/or interested parties working with them to retroactively modify the system to specifically target domain investors represents just such a situation.

Domain names are sold on a first come first served basis AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE.

It's too late to cry about missing out over 16 years down the line with over 10,000,000 domains registered, yet that's exactly what those who are anti-domain investors are attempting to do.

 

[viceroy]

What I don't get is, Nominet is saying this new .UK is being aimed at UK business, if so, why would they allow anyone and everyone to register .UK domains?

The new .UK domains should not be available to anyone except a proper registered company who can supply evidence of their active business, nobody else apart from a legitimate UK businesses would require them, so, domainers (even those with domaining type businesses), the man in the street and anyone else, without a valid company, should not be allowed to register them, after all, they aren't a company, so why would they need to own builder.uk or any other generic names.

.ltd.uk?

 

[splashweb]

+1 Edwin.

Personally I'm getting a bit tired of having to listen to anti-investor comments on this forum of all places. Professional investors know the rules and keep within them. They do their homework and take the risk. If they're smart and lucky they get a return.

I'm sure a part of this proposal is aimed at trying to change the landscape of ownership over time and I guess that pricing is the most obvious tool for trying to achieve this. I don't however think this is justifiable, if indeed it's true, or that it'll necessarily work out that way.

There doesn't seem to be much discussion around the idea of running dual commercial spaces on the same registry, which is perhaps the most contentious single issue in this proposal. If it goes away then so should the conflict around existing rights. I don't think dual commercial spaces is a good idea at all, but I'm ready to hear the argument that says otherwise.

 

[Stephen]

Nominet seems to ignore their own efforts in making .co.uk successful and those of the domain owners.

Nominet seem to want a sunrise like .eu .asia and the new icann tld's were there were no prior settlers but in .uk we have been here a long time and I dont want my efforts diluted / destroyed and trust of .co.uk diminished because of this proposal

 

[websaway]

Nominet seems to ignore their own efforts in making .co.uk successful and those of the domain owners.

Nominet seem to want a sunrise like .eu .asia and the new icann tld's were there were no prior settlers but in .uk we have been here a long time and I dont want my efforts diluted / destroyed and trust of .co.uk diminished because of this proposal

good point

 

[pugyrob]

Perhaps the most worrying thing is nominet promoting the .uk as a more secure way to do business. By implication it makes the co.uk insecure. I spoke to someone who made the point that the co.uk is intrenched in people's minds and that the .uk would not replace it easily. That said, promoting it as "the new and improved" will certainly change the marketplace quickly.

As for domains as an investment, that is another story. Investments go up and down but nominet should not sell something for years and then say it was effectively flawed. If it was they should fix it, not replace it.

As for having an LL.co.uk auction and then bringing this out months later is scandalous. That is speaking as someone who didn't buy an LL domain also.

 

[Stephen]

I would like to see how it works out in New Zealand as it is an upto date situation.

I find that when Nominet mention these other countries change from .co to level 2 as a success it is misleading.

In Japan the changes where from .co.jp to .jp were made in 2001 which is was in a different age compared to doing it now.

But even now it is google.co.jp, amazon.co.jp and they have different rules on registration and have only 1.3 million domains (and a lot of that is due to ascii and japanese character doubling up same domain)

I wish Nominet would give up some of their research so the underlying position and logic used can be reviewed.

 

[domainking]

Domains

My Thoughts on this.

Business A does not like customers D wants customers ISP
Customers D been like a plague to Business A
Business A plan take out big players customers D by introducing product UK.
Killing of the lesser extention of the UK. wipping out the plague of D customers. same time increasing the value of product UK 300% what a great business model.

D investors on first product loose out.
ISP makes money
Business A makes money
All those new start up business or people who missed out on the domain market in the early years are getting a chance to grab a chunk of the market.

As a customer D think .UK at £20.00 is a better and fairer way in todays market all for it. even being one of the loosers in this lottery. we all had a good run with domains over the years now the second big change for UK. bring it on looking foward to it.

 

[med]

Nominet may not have sold .co.uk as investments, but all .co.uk domain buyers did buy with the belief that they were buying the premier UK platform, by denying us the .uk Nominet are changing the product we bought.

Whether Nominet like it or not, internet namespace is a commodity and therefore naturally trading is bound to take place.