.UK Announced

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Adam who wrote the article is a member of the forum http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/members/addz123.html

 

[Marcoose]

Sorry for any confusion. I sent an email to Adam Grunwerg, who wrote the original article criticising the Nominet .uk proposal to make him aware of Nominet's reply article.

In the hope that he would write another Guardian article possibly attacking the lack of any depth and content of the Nominet response.

Yup so I was right (not being stupid) - ironically you were replying to Adam when you wrote that.

 

[markb]

One thing I am still unsure about is that if you own a .co.uk domain or other uk domain and have done so for quite some time, but havent yet get around to developing it, you dont have any rights to get the corresponding .uk domain? Is this correct? Even if you have spent money on paying a website designer or graphic designer, but havent put the site live yet, or actually havent yet had it developed in to a working website?

Also, there is mention of a cut off date. What about all the thousands of businesses that have just bought and started a business on a uk domain name but obviously havent got a clue about nominets proposals because they havent told anyone (businesses) about them yet? Surely by buying a .co.uk or or.uk domain and starting a business on it, you should have a right to hear about what nominet are proposing to do, and you should have a right to buy the corresponding .uk domain regarding of any time period, unless you have been informed directly by nominet.

Thanks
Mark

 

[websaway]

I have posted a detailed comment to the latest Guardian piece (in fact, I got a bit over-enthusiastic with the "submit" button and posted part of it twice - oh, well)

That's a cracker Edwin, well done.

Hope it gets a few heads thinking, and maybe a few rolling.

 

[Stephen]

Prior use and cut off date

One thing I am still unsure about is that if you own a .co.uk domain or other uk domain and have done so for quite some time, but havent yet get around to developing it, you dont have any rights to get the corresponding .uk domain? Is this correct? Even if you have spent money on paying a website designer or graphic designer, but havent put the site live yet, or actually havent yet had it developed in to a working website?

Nominet state they have not decided although I don’t believe that is clear from the proposal, where they use the deliberate phrase “prior use”.
However Nominet have stated they are looking for feedback from all parties what “prior use” may include?

I have prefixed my answers to Nominet, that all .co.uk owners should get the equivalent .uk domain.

For the sake of a plan B to soften any impact if they do force it through, I have added that 301 and 501 redirects, parked pages, under construction page, and any DNS records added at all.

Suggest everybody adds their own version of what is prior use? (With any overrides they consider necessary).

p.s. even if you have submitted your reponse to Nominet you can add to it - with extra views/comments like on this topic!

Also, there is mention of a cut off date. What about all the thousands of businesses that have just bought and started a business on a uk domain name but obviously havent got a clue about nominets proposals because they havent told anyone (businesses) about them yet? Surely by buying a .co.uk or or.uk domain and starting a business on it, you should have a right to hear about what nominet are proposing to do, and you should have a right to buy the corresponding .uk domain regarding of any time period, unless you have been informed directly by Nominet.

According to Nominet’s own figures 635,399 UK domains have so far been registered since the qualifying date cut off on 30th June 2012,
(3 months before 1st October 2012 the proposal launch date) all of which have no rights at all and that number is sure to exceed 1 million when they introduce .uk unless Nominet change that rule.

They would all have to enter the Landrush auction phase with anybody else (including non UK companies)!
(assuming as always that they were aware of the auction)

 

[websaway]

One thing I am still unsure about is that if you own a .co.uk domain or other uk domain and have done so for quite some time, but havent yet get around to developing it, you dont have any rights to get the corresponding .uk domain? Is this correct? Even if you have spent money on paying a website designer or graphic designer, but havent put the site live yet, or actually havent yet had it developed in to a working website?

Also, there is mention of a cut off date. What about all the thousands of businesses that have just bought and started a business on a uk domain name but obviously havent got a clue about nominets proposals because they havent told anyone (businesses) about them yet? Surely by buying a .co.uk or or.uk domain and starting a business on it, you should have a right to hear about what nominet are proposing to do, and you should have a right to buy the corresponding .uk domain regarding of any time period, unless you have been informed directly by nominet.

Thanks
Mark

If these things have taken this long to become apparent to the likes of you and me who are in the industry, what chance does john bloggs have, he's one of the ones who has had to have faith in Nominet to only do the right thing.

Don't forget that in business it's the law of the jungle and you can't altogether trust anyone but the one's you do trust are the governing bodies who are not for profit organisations and who should be aware of what goes on in the Jungle but not be a part of it.
Nominet has sold it's soul.

 

[Paullas]

Also, there is mention of a cut off date. What about all the thousands of businesses that have just bought and started a business on a uk domain name but obviously havent got a clue about nominets proposals because they havent told anyone (businesses) about them yet? Surely by buying a .co.uk or or.uk domain and starting a business on it, you should have a right to hear about what nominet are proposing to do, and you should have a right to buy the corresponding .uk domain regarding of any time period, unless you have been informed directly by nominet.

Thanks
Mark

I would have thought as of 1st October 2012 when nominets board was announcing this then every single domain name that was registered with nominet they should have at least got an email explaining there intensions about .uk with the thank you for registering a *.uk. This would then at least made new business owners and the like aware they have just wasted there money.

 

[Marcoose]

http://www.whatinvestment.co.uk/

Loving the "best place to be" ad!

 

[Paullas]

http://www.whatinvestment.co.uk/

Loving the "best place to be" ad!

I should setup Devalue.co.uk

 

[markb]

http://www.whatinvestment.co.uk/

Loving the "best place to be" ad!

Im sure this is false advertising. Any business that has taken nominet's advice and setup a business on .co.uk and invested money in the domain, should be able to take legal action against nominet, if they dont manage to secure the corresponding .uk domain and someone else uses it to setup a similar business which is confusingly similar to their clients.

 

[markb]

I think for the majority of internet users out their, if they saw 2 domain names with the same name as follows, they would presume that the 2 are owned by the same company

shop.co.uk
shop.uk


The more I think about nominets proposals, the more I think that there is absolutely no way that the .uk proposal could actually go ahead in their urrent state. There would be a major backlash from uk businesses and I dont understand how nominet could be so blind to this or not even care or worry about the consequencies of their careless actions.

Nominet NEED to make their propsals known to every current and future uk domain owner via email, otherwise the whole consultation period is a complete scam and I can't see how it could go ahead.

 

[DomainManagement]

someone is trying to push this through with scant disregard to the greater good

not even a economic impact report ,

can we get a legal opinion , as NOMINET have not sort external legal advice ,
this they admitted to this at the Manchester Meeting

i will put up £500 into a fund

my word is good

 

[Brassneck]

Im sure this is false advertising. Any business that has taken nominet's advice and setup a business on .co.uk and invested money in the domain, should be able to take legal action against nominet, if they dont manage to secure the corresponding .uk domain and someone else uses it to setup a similar business which is confusingly similar to their clients.

You can complain to the ASA if you feel strongly here - http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications.aspx

 

[websaway]

Im sure this is false advertising. Any business that has taken nominet's advice and setup a business on .co.uk and invested money in the domain, should be able to take legal action against nominet, if they dont manage to secure the corresponding .uk domain and someone else uses it to setup a similar business which is confusingly similar to their clients.

The next thought after that is:

If all co.uk owners had the equivalent .uk they would, to save expense, simply direct it to the .co.uk

So it would cost current owners say £20 x 4,000,000 domains = £80,000,000 recuring income for Nominet.
And what would be achieved for anyone other than Nominet ?

the mind really does boggle, doesn't it

 

[Edwin]

Please... I understand people are coming late to the subject, but some of the so-called "revelations" raised in the last few pages of posts to this thread have been discussed in great detail for nearly two months already (e.g. the likely revenue to Nominet) so I'd urge anyone who's still unclear about the consequences of Nominet's CURRENT proposal to read
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media-netw...rect-uk-domain
http://econsultancy.com/jp/blog/1116...igital-economy
http://www.business2community.com/on...omains-0336047
http://www.david-carter.com/uk-and-t...siness-dilemma
http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/
http://www.ukproposal.org.uk/
http://www.notagreatplacetobe.org.uk/

Failing that, we're going to just keep raking over the same things again and again and again, with all parties to the discussion getting more and more angry about the "injustices" in Nominet's proposal - but we won't actually achieve anything other than high blood pressure by doing so!

 

[jasman]

Edwin some of those links appear to have been abridged and are invalid. Would like to take a look so can you update them please.

 

[websaway]

Please... I understand people are coming late to the subject, but some of the so-called "revelations" raised in the last few pages of posts to this thread have been discussed in great detail for nearly two months already (e.g. the likely revenue to Nominet) so I'd urge anyone who's still unclear about the consequences of Nominet's CURRENT proposal to read
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media-netw...rect-uk-domain
http://econsultancy.com/jp/blog/1116...igital-economy
http://www.business2community.com/on...omains-0336047
http://www.david-carter.com/uk-and-t...siness-dilemma
http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/
http://www.ukproposal.org.uk/
http://www.notagreatplacetobe.org.uk/

Failing that, we're going to just keep raking over the same things again and again and again, with all parties to the discussion getting more and more angry about the "injustices" in Nominet's proposal - but we won't actually achieve anything other than high blood pressure by doing so!

Raking over the same thing keeps the issue live, which is going to be necessary over the christmas and new year period, following a strategic piece of genius by Nominet.
Over estimate other peoples abilities to grasp and retain the crux of the arguements and remain supportive at your peril.

 

[Stephen]

Analogy- RIGHT hand drive

Over the thread lots of analogies have been put forward.

I would like to add;

It is like the UK Highway board saying we need to boost the UK economy
whilst bring us in to line with our European partners and the rest of the world,
so we propose changing to driving on the "RIGHT" hand side of the road.

This would create lots of jobs changing the road sytem over and would help tourism
as visitors would not be put off by driving on the wrong side fo the road.

Lots of new car sales so lots of new jobs and you could still use your old car
so no need to change if you don't want to.

Maybe the Nominet thinking may catch on, if you never consider the consequences.

 

[Stephen]

New voices

Failing that, we're going to just keep raking over the same things again and again and again, with all parties to the discussion getting more and more angry about the "injustices" in Nominet's proposal - but we won't actually achieve anything other than high blood pressure by doing so!

At least some new people are coming and reminding people to complete
the Nominet proposal form is so important as you have stressed many times.

Plus those that filled in the consultation early might have evolved their views
as you have brought more clarity and facts of the consequences of the
proposal and they need to be reminded they can add extra comments back to
Nominet, which is equally important.

Hopefully anybody new may add a new perspective or raise a new question
which makes people consider new options to get to a solution.

Thanks for the links, it is well worth reading the several articles and documents and although bad for your blood pressure reading them!

 

[bulkcorn]

Nominet reponse to Guardian article by Phil Kingsland

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media-network/media-network-blog/2012/dec/17/value-secure-uk-namespace-nominet

Edward and the others did a good job commenting ... more comments, pls! We need to get the word out there to all those businesses who have no idea how much NOMINET is about to screw them!