Beware Brexit and .EU domains

[Nigel]

The EU likes shooting itself in the foot just to spite the UK.
Funny how the thickos, the 'uneducated', the 'misinformed', were the ones who could see the EU were only ever using Britain to serve its own interests.
Also ironic that most people who regged a .eu were in favour of the eu project (leave.eu was an exception) so they'll be hurting their own supporters.

 

[websaway]

Wow! Unintended negative consequence of Brexit #996. Or was it #997. To be honest, I've lost count.

Hope nobody on here has any .eu that will be affected!

(Hat tip to the Reg for this, but apparently the Leave.EU mob use... Leave.eu)

Mob, Mob, which bit of Mob did you not use.

 

[Ben Thomas]

The EU likes shooting itself in the foot just to spite the UK.
Funny how the thickos, the 'uneducated', the 'misinformed', were the ones who could see the EU were only ever using Britain to serve its own interests.
Also ironic that most people who regged a .eu were in favour of the eu project (leave.eu was an exception) so they'll be hurting their own supporters.

Nigel, I would have to disagree. We had many benefits by being a member of the EU.

https://www.ft.com/content/202a60c0-cfd8-11e5-831d-09f7778e7377

 

[Edwin]

Mob, Mob, which bit of Mob did you not use.

I said “the Leave.EU mob”. That’s exactly what I said, no more, no less. It is patently clear that “mob” in that sentence referred to “Leave.EU”. That’s how grammar works.

You’re reaching incredibly hard to try and manufacture outrage where none was present. I don’t know why you’re doing so, but please stop. Now. Thanks.

 

[Nigel]

Nigel, I would have to disagree. We had many benefits by being a member of the EU.

https://www.ft.com/content/202a60c0-cfd8-11e5-831d-09f7778e7377

Do you mean the massive trade deficit?

 

[websaway]

Wow! Unintended negative consequence of Brexit #996. Or was it #997. To be honest, I've lost count.

Hope nobody on here has any .eu that will be affected!

(Hat tip to the Reg for this, but apparently the Leave.EU mob use... Leave.eu)

Mob, Mob, which bit of Mob did you not use.

I said “the Leave.EU mob”. That’s exactly what I said, no more, no less. It is patently clear that “mob” in that sentence referred to “Leave.EU”. That’s how grammar works.

You’re reaching incredibly hard to try and manufacture outrage where none was present. I don’t know why you’re doing so, but please stop. Now. Thanks.

why are they a mob, I am one of them and I don't consider myself to be a member of a mob. Your defence is feeble, you referred to leave eu as a mob and to add insult to injury you defend your view. End of for me.

 

[RobM]

And there we have it..... this is how any thread that mentions 'brexit' always ends up

 

[Sean]

That is completely false. My original post talked about Leave.EU, a specific organisation (recently in the news for all sorts of wrong reasons relating to the possible abuse of personal information) NOT about leavers in general. I said nothing whatsoever about the latter.

You need to do some reading up on people like George Soros and other globalists if you want a balanced debate about manipulation of information.

Let’s stick to the domain and IP aspects, eh?

The announcement is a political one designed to create this type of debate. It's divide and conquer at its best.

 

[Edwin]

why are they a mob

Why? It's things like this story that has made headlines in hundreds of places over the last 24 hours... Their behaviour was condemned by MPs from all major parties, including the Tories.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/29/mps-condemn-leaveeu-tweet-on-labour-antisemitism

 

[websaway]

Why? It's things like this story that has made headlines in hundreds of places over the last 24 hours... Their behaviour was condemned by MPs from all major parties, including the Tories.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/29/mps-condemn-leaveeu-tweet-on-labour-antisemitism

It's a view they hold in a country where views are increasingly being suppressed . Why does that make them a mob. Perhaps you don't have a dictionary to hand.

 

[Edwin]

If you need a EU address for your .eu domain, here are a few companies offering a mail forwarding service to the UK:
https://www.tiptrans.com/address-in-europe (Czech Republic and Germany)
https://www.mailboxde.com/ (Germany)
https://mygermany.com/international-letter-forwarding-scan-services/ (Germany)
https://www.bpm-lux.com/en/home.html (10 different countries)
http://www.french-office.com/ (France)

 

[Nigel]

OK - getting back to the facts of this case. This is democracy EU style - Quoted from the Register article - see link at start of thread:

'Even more remarkably, EURid made it plain that it was not consulted over the plans or even informed what they were before the news was made public. A statement on the registry's site begins: "Yesterday afternoon, EURid, the registry manager of the .eu TLD, received the link to the European Commission’s communication concerning Brexit and the .eu TLD."

You still want to be a part of this?

 

[Edwin]

Michele Neylon covers much the same ground as the Reg story, but in a more factual way. He's a guy who really knows his stuff.
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20180...ng_off_thousands_of_eu_domains_due_to_brexit/

Here's a good article about how using the e-Residency service offered by Estonia could be a work-around for the problem if they really do end up taking .eu domains off UK-based residents.
https://medium.com/e-residency-blog...-anywhere-or-keep-it-after-brexit-b630d893f13
https://e-resident.gov.ee/

It's also worth noting that this is "news" now because of the recent announcement, but it's not "surprising news" in that people in IP circles have been discussing this exact problem ever since the referendum. See for instance...
https://comlaude.com/news/possible-impacts-brexit-eu-domain-registrants
https://www.digitaltrends.com/web/brexit-causes-havoc-with-eu-registered-domains/
https://www.internetx.com/en/news-detailview/does-brexit-also-affect-eu-domains/

 

[Sean]

You still want to be a part of this?

The debate is an ideological one and few people will have their views changed.

The sad thing is that a large part of the population want this country to fail so that they can have the pleasure of saying I told you so.

 

[Edwin]

BTW, here are a few more potential changes that may impact Acorners... Just an FYI so that you can keep an eye on the specific case that applies to you.

If you provide digital services into the EU, you will likely have to designate a representative within the EU27 to continue doing so after Brexit, according to this 12 March 2018 announcement. The footnote to the accompanying document opaquely describes a "digital service provider" as "any legal person that provides a digital service" so your guess is as good as mine, but if you think it might apply to your business it's probably worth reading up on....
https://ec.europa.eu/info/publicati...s-security-network-and-information-systems_en

Also, if you provide "information society services" into the EU (another poorly defined term) then you'll no longer be able to benefit from country-of-origin provisions after Brexit, but instead you'll be subject to the national rules of each of the 27 remaining Brexit countries individually.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/publicati...eld-electronic-commerce-and-net-neutrality_en

UK-registered companies whose "central administration or principal place of business" is outside the UK but in the EU27 (I interpret that as a long-winded way of saying "if you own a UK company but don't operate it from the UK) may no longer be recognised as "limited liability", making shareholders personally liable for any debt.
http://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/just/document.cfm?action=display&doc_id=48467

Existing EU trademarks will no longer apply in the UK after Brexit (that answers my hypothetical question in an earlier post!)
https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/27403/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/native

Finally, if you make (some of) your living from copyright material such as music, the rules on copyright and royalty collection are going to change after Brexit day. (I'm assuming there are no full-time musicians on Acorn, though it would be really cool if there were!)
https://ec.europa.eu/info/publicati...nited-kingdom-and-eu-rules-field-copyright_en

(NOTE: all of the above COULD change IF they are included in the negotiations that are currently taking place. But IF your business is dependent on them, it would probably be better to start thinking about contingencies, even if you don't act yet.)

 

[Skinner]

I wonder how many EU people hold .uk domains ? Like nominet would lose that money but just curious, I'm sure the data is already out there.

 

[gimpydog]

.ca is limited to Canadians
.us is limited to Americans
.nl is limited to the Dutch
.com.au is limited to Australians
.fr is limited to the French
.ie is limited to the Irish

You might want to fact check that, or consult an expert.

 

[Edwin]

You might want to fact check that, or consult an expert.

You're right, I stand corrected. .nl and .fr have changed their policies since I last looked at them (although .fr still has an EU country requirement, so will no longer be accessible to UK entities post-Brexit). I'll amend my original list.

 

[Edwin]

I wonder how many EU people hold .uk domains ? Like nominet would lose that money but just curious, I'm sure the data is already out there.

That could be at least part of the reason why Nominet seem to be back-tracking on the idea of a UK address for service for .uk domains? That's just a guess - I don't have any inside knowledge. But by making the rules for .uk as open as those for .co.uk, Brexit shouldn't make a scrap of difference since anyone in the world can already own either extension.

 

[gimpydog]

.ca is limited to Canadians
.us is limited to Americans
.com.au is limited to Australians
.ie is limited to the Irish

.ca is open to TM holders & HM Liz Windsor

.com.au is open to TM holders (& would probably bend the rules for Liz)

.us is open to non-US who "Regularly engages in lawful activities (sales of goods or services or other business, commercial or non-commercial, including not-for-profit relations in the United States)."

.ie is open to just about everyone who has ever drank Guinness, or flown on Ryanair
https://www.iedr.ie/register-a-domain/document-requirements/

Many registries have opened up since the ngtld's came along. They realise that the world has moved on & they cannot afford to be stuck in the past.

Which brings us nicely back to Brexit. I agree with Nick...