Corona please read very important

[Nigel]

Time will tell who is right, but personally, I think the UK Government had the opportunity to minimise the risk and spread of the virus, but has failed miserably. They have also sent out contradictory messages. On the one hand it's done nothing to stop flights from all over the world landing in the UK, done nothing to encourage home working where possible, and said herd immunity will lessen impact of this virus, yet now is looking to introduce measures to arrest and imprison coronavirus carriers if necessary.

It's not as if it didn't possess hindsight. Italy and Spain are a couple of weeks ahead of us and the reports I have read are alarming and terribly sad. If some think only the elderly are at risk, then they need to read the reports.

On a personal level, I tried to talk my mother out of attending a doctors appointment today, as it seemed to me the most dangerous place for an elderly person to go at the present time. She's 90 next week, but was sure the doctors knew best so was going to attend. So yesterday evening she gets a call from the surgery. Two doctors and a member of the medical staff down with coronavirus and the surgery shut. So mum was fortunate, but how many others weren't so lucky. Up and down the country not enough protection has been put in place for doctors and nhs staff. They need to look at Italy - doctors and medical staff are lying critically ill in wards alongside patients.

Another family member is needlessly having to travel to London by train and tube, for a job that can be carried out easily at home, but the employer insists on attendance at the London office because this government still hasn't recommended working at home when it makes sense. I may not be a medical expert, but surely it will lessen impact, and spread, if we make fewer journeys, and meet less people. I fear the spike in cases in the UK will outstrip anywhere in the world because this government has done nothing to help lessen the impact. Instead it has tried to protect the economy - but I think that plan will backfire.

 

[dazc]

In a sense, it's selfish if people in the critical categories don't isolate (tough as that is going to be for some of them) because it means more critical care beds will end up being taken.

My Dad is enjoying a week at the seaside since he's been cooped up for a month because of the weather. I'm loving this idea that he can be told to self-isolate for a further few weeks or months. I'll give you his number if you like and you can tell him.

 

[websaway]

Surely we have the expertise to have produced an effective mask against this virus. Could it have overcome the huge economic fall out that is now inevitable. Wash hands to help stop transferring the virus but don't wear a mask that may help stop the airborne transfer of the virus.

 

[ian]

Surely we have the expertise to have produced an effective mask against this virus. Could it have overcome the huge economic fall out that is now inevitable. Wash hands to help stop transferring the virus but don't wear a mask that may help stop the airborne transfer of the virus.

You can't protect against airborne transfer by wearing a mask; not whilst we still need to breathe to survive! You can limit the impact with respirators but they are not practical, nor available in the quantities required. Perhaps I should drag out the diving kit and head to the shops.

 

[BREWSTERS]

This is a well reasoned article on the subject.

And, what does it feel like to have CV? Not too bad apparently.

 

[websaway]

You can't protect against airborne transfer by wearing a mask; not whilst we still need to breathe to survive! You can limit the impact with respirators but they are not practical, nor available in the quantities required. Perhaps I should drag out the diving kit and head to the shops.

You can reduce the impact and as someone with a vulnerable partner I would have thought you would appreciate that. Professionals are wearing them in hospitals. Was gas in the second world war airborne, I expect it was, was a mask developed and mass produced, I think it was.

 

[dazc]

You can reduce the impact and as someone with a vulnerable partner I would have thought you would appreciate that. Professionals are wearing them in hospitals. Was gas in the second world war airborne, I expect it was, was a mask developed and mass produced, I think it was.

You see lots of people in China wearing face masks all the time. By your reasoning it would have been one of the least affected areas?

It's a noble thought but, in reality, you need medical quality masks as well as medical quality training and discipline for them to have any affect at all.

 

[websaway]

You see lots of people in China wearing face masks all the time. By your reasoning it would have been one of the least affected areas?

It's a noble thought but, in reality, you need medical quality masks as well as medical quality training and discipline for them to have any affect at all.

I'm saying government could invest billions in finding a mask and mass produce it. I have not heard an argument to say that was not an possibility The vulnerable would not be fussy about what they have to wear, it's better than wearing a shroud.

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[bonusmedia]

I wonder if lots of us are going through the stages of grief, seems to be quite a lot of denial/anger/bargaining about.
Unfortunately there's probably just no way to get through to the Dunning-Kruger cases and the time spent arguing can be used more productively.

 

[anthony]

... what does it feel like to have CV? Not too bad apparently.

Unfortunately, dead people can't speak, so we'll never know their take on that!

 

[dee]

What I dont get in all of this is why even take the chance if you're in a vunerable group. Didn't 13% odd of the over 80's that got it so far in Italy die ? Not odds id take a gamble on if were my parents.

I reckon all the people I see on facebook saying 'man up' 'its the flu' are in for a shock in 10 weeks time. If nothing else its a duty to try and relieve the stress on the NHS when this does peak. I'm not panicking, and agree there should be a calm approach, but if you can do something that lessens the chances of people dieing then surely you have to do it.

 

[BREWSTERS]

Unfortunately, dead people can't speak, so we'll never know their take on that!

Listen to the one's who didn't then.

From every report I've seen where someone has tragically died, in every case they have had pre-existing conditions. And the wording of the reports is the same along the lines of 'another person has died linked to coronavirus'. They're careful not to say 'died of coronavirus'. I'm not at all saying it doesn't contribute, but there are thousands of people who die of pneumonia (for instance) who may also have contracted flu, or even a bad cold. They die of the pneumonia, possibly but not certainly, exasperated by flu or a cold.

 

[dazc]

What I dont get in all of this is why even take the chance if you're in a vunerable group. Didn't 13% odd of the over 80's that got it so far in Italy die ? Not odds id take a gamble on if were my parents.

Consider the practicalities though. A lot of people in this age group live in sheltered housing, they also need daily care and, like everyone else, food and basic essentials. Who is going to deliver this care and food, etc that isn't a risk themselves? And for how long are going to keep these people confined?

People are already self-isolating to a degree and taking sensible precautions.

What if someone came along and said you had to stay indoors indefinitely, how long would you last before breaking ranks - probably not as long as you might think?

 

[dazc]

Sorry Brewsters but for the folks who don't know I'm going to point out that you don't believe Jo Cox was murdered and you don't believe Sandy Hook happened. You're not a reliable source and this is not the time for Alex Jones and David Icke

Time to put the Jo Cox obsession to bed, maybe?

 

[bonusmedia]

I've mentioned it twice since it happened, both pointing out that Brewsters says it didn't happen. He said he watched her grieving family on TV and decided they were acting. If that's what you want to defend, go for it, but expect to be called out by folks with any sense. Again, this is not the time for crazy theories.

 

[Murray]

There's apathy and there's hysteria and both are no good, there's a grey area in the middle somewhere that's about right but getting the public there is a real balancing act

• Continue to work if feel ok but don't socialise otherwise
• Wash your hands
• Cough/sneeze into your elbow if you need to
• Self-isolate if you're sick
• Don't spit in public
• Think about using contactless payments and self-service checkouts
• Don't panic buy
• Take some vitamins, especially vitamin D, zinc, c etc

If everyone did the above for a while it would slow everything down, virus and hysteria; it's going to be terrible for restaurants/bars/cinemas etc I do worry for them type businesses

China has a big smoking and spitting culture, I'm sure that didn't help

 

[Admin]

It's complicated for sure. The only thing I can tell you for sure is a full on LOCKDOWN is not a lot of fun.

 

[Murray]

It's complicated for sure. The only thing I can tell you for sure is a full on LOCKDOWN is not a lot of fun.

Are you in Spain? hows the food situation with panic buying?

 

[newguy]

You can reduce the impact and as someone with a vulnerable partner I would have thought you would appreciate that. Professionals are wearing them in hospitals. Was gas in the second world war airborne, I expect it was, was a mask developed and mass produced, I think it was.

I agree that they work to a certain extent. The relatively low number of cases in Hong Kong may be testament to that. I'm not saying they can block everything, it's likely as much to do with people not being able to unconsciously/unknowingly touch their mouth or nose when they are wearing one. I've bought tonnes of that 70% alcohol rub, as that I have something with me on the go. I've heard that anything below 60% isn't very effective and anything over 90% isn't either. Something to do with how the water molecules intercat with the alcohol!

 

[Admin]

Yes I am, no issues of significance. Wife has been for some shopping this morning and we are in a small mountain village. Lots of delivery trucks. Amazon packages still arriving etc. We are not allowed out anywhere together, 1 person has to run essentials errands solely. You cannot go for a walk (unless you have a dog). You cant go for a run. Police and military are enforcing with helicopters, boats, drones.