Corona please read very important

[newguy]

There's apathy and there's hysteria and both are no good, there's a grey area in the middle somewhere that's about right but getting the public there is a real balancing act

• Continue to work if feel ok but don't socialise otherwise
• Wash your hands
• Cough/sneeze into your elbow if you need to
• Self-isolate if you're sick
• Don't spit in public
• Think about using contactless payments and self-service checkouts
• Don't panic buy
• Take some vitamins, especially vitamin D, zinc, c etc

If everyone did the above for a while it would slow everything down, virus and hysteria; it's going to be terrible for restaurants/bars/cinemas etc I do worry for them type businesses

China has a big smoking and spitting culture, I'm sure that didn't help

Good advice. Yes, I think it's a tricky one because people have no frame of reference for it. People can spread this before they show any symptoms, and in fact some people may not have many symptoms at all, which you'd think would be good, but they then become a danger to the more vulnerable in a way. But as you say, if you know you're ill, or want to avoid getting ill it is sensible to follow steps like those you've listed.

I agree with the bar and restaurants comments too as its hard to pinpoint a time where everyone will be out and about and carefree again. Once businesses or sports are effectively put on ice the knock on effects of that for various industries are scary to consider. Hopefully a vaccine will come along. If not, I guess 'eventually' people will just have to start getting back to normal in part due to going stir crazy and also due to the economic impact.

 

[dazc]

You cannot go for a walk (unless you have a dog).

Considering everyone in Spain has at least one dog, that can't be very effective?

 

[bonusmedia]

https://twitter.com/schwarzenegger/status/1239383795205169152

Good old Arnie

 

[Admin]

Considering everyone in Spain has at least one dog, that can't be very effective?

No but i'm doing a great sideline in hiring out my dogs for people who need to get places on foot.

 

[newguy]

https://twitter.com/schwarzenegger/status/1239383795205169152

Good old Arnie

. BoJo's hair on the one on the left!

 

[Admin]

All posts removed, sorry I came on here. Get some perspective and be a little nicer.

 

[websaway]

I'm not a scientist, surprise, surprise.
However I can't understand why government
didn't try to mass produce a face mask provided free
by the NHS. One mask to each person giving first
preference to the vulnerable. I know some arguments
against it but none so far have I found totally
convincing.

below the World health organization says.

•If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection.
•Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing.
•Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water.
•If you wear a mask, then you must know how to use it and dispose of it properly.

 

[Admin]

I'm not a scientist, surprise, surprise.
However I can't understand why government
didn't try to mass produce a face mask provided free
by the NHS. One mask to each person giving first
preference to the vulnerable. I know some arguments
against it but none so far have I found totally
convincing.

below the World health organization says.

•If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection.
•Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing.
•Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water.
•If you wear a mask, then you must know how to use it and dispose of it properly.

Masks are 1 wear only! (and not that effective)

 

[Edwin]

Boris Johnson has unveiled a series of hugely stringent new restrictions to slow what he said was the now-rapid spread of coronavirus in the UK, including 14-day isolation for all households with symptoms, a warning against “non-essential” contact, including trips to pubs and clubs, and an end to all mass gatherings.

At the first of what is set to be daily Downing Street press conferences, Johnson said social distancing meant people should avoid “pubs, clubs, theatres and other social venues”.

These will not be ordered to close, but will be expected to do so voluntarily. People are also being urged to work from home when at all possible.

FYI. More details in the article at link...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ns-to-avoid-non-essential-contact-with-others

And here's some related material from the news conference he held a few minutes ago.

 

[Nigel]

Government response today seems to have been a lot of talk and no real action. Can't see the logic in leaving schools open. I think you'll see them close daily, as teachers contract coronavirus. So in a week or two they'll shut all schools, and the virus will have spread a lot more.

 

[Murray]

Government response today seems to have been a lot of talk and no real action. Can't see the logic in leaving schools open. I think you'll see them close daily, as teachers contract coronavirus. So in a week or two they'll shut all schools, and the virus will have spread a lot more.

I think it's because schools aren't just for learning, they're also a free daycare so parents can go out and work

I'm sure there are a lot of doctors and nurses with young children that can't be left alone but they will be needed at work

What do you do, leave them with their grandparents? that seems like not the best idea atm

No great options any which way

 

[Nigel]

but it will happen anyway - as soon as a teacher goes down with coronavirus - and a lot of parents will be working from home now. There is no easy way - but this will be a lot more messy and not nice for older teachers

 

[bonusmedia]

I think it's because schools aren't just for learning, they're also a free daycare so parents can go out and work

I'm sure there are a lot of doctors and nurses with young children that can't be left alone but they will be needed at work

What do you do, leave them with their grandparents? that seems like not the best idea atm

No great options any which way

Apparently the plan is to keep them part open for kids of nhs and police etc:

https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-schools-close-all-children-key-workers

 

[ian]

Government response today seems to have been a lot of talk and no real action. Can't see the logic in leaving schools open. I think you'll see them close daily, as teachers contract coronavirus. So in a week or two they'll shut all schools, and the virus will have spread a lot more.

I'd love the schools to close because our family can isolate ourselves for as long as necessary without it impacting others, but the gov are taking the right steps, if schools close, so do doctors and hospitals and avoidable deaths will occur.

Whilst the gov won't spell it out, they need the public to contract this disease naturally, to avoid too much strain on services to combat it. No point having everyone under lock and key only for it to attack when we return to our daily routines.

 

[Nigel]

As I said this strategy won't last more than a week or two - so I see no point

 

[newguy]

As I said this strategy won't last more than a week or two - so I see no point

You're probably right, but the alternative of just carrying on as normal is dangerous too. They're buying time, but with no particularly pleasant outcome down the line as far as I can see. But realistically the elderly should stay indoors.. probably longer than the 3 or 4 months stated, but clearly that's not doable for many and has mental health and loneliness implications too.

'If' many millions of reasonably healthy people get it and get over it, and 'if' they then cannot contract it again (which is still an unknown), it might peter out eventually allowing some of the most vulnerable in society to escape it. Lots of ifs :s.

 

[ian]

As I said this strategy won't last more than a week or two - so I see no point

Things will ramp up rapidly now, but that extra week or two for the NHS is vital.

 

[Nigel]

Children catch the coronavirus at almost the same rate as adults (see link below) - but just don't show the symptons as much. So schools will become one large petri dish. Children infecting each other, then all the parents, and the teachers. Two weeks of this will, by far, outweigh any short term benefit.

https://www.livescience.com/can-kids-get-coronavirus.html

 

[newguy]

Children catch the coronavirus at almost the same rate as adults (see link below) - but just don't show the symptons as much. So schools will become one large petri dish. Children infecting each other, then all the parents, and the teachers. Two weeks of this will, by far, outweigh any short term benefit.

https://www.livescience.com/can-kids-get-coronavirus.html

Yes, I think that will happen as you say. And it's not like people can keep their distance from their own kids, so they will infect their parents etc. Of course there are problems with the alternative too, as if they close schools you get the grand parents looking after the kids and that of course comes with obvious concerns. I'm not sure there there is any quick or easy way out of this. It's starting to feel like the next year or two will be memorable for rather distressing reasons. Perhaps we should be thankful that it isn't even more vigilant, as we'd have likely have demonstrated the same approach to dealing with it. The world is just so well connected nowadays that this stuff spreads like wildfire.

 

[LCHappy]

Nobody is factoring in the numbers for locking everyone up who has cancer, the next generation of doctors going through exams that won't now pop out the other end. People will still die from non corona related illnesses.

Can't just lock everyone down without consequences that are just as bad. Government is following the least worst option, not an option that can cope, not an option that can't cope cope, it's all about the least worst option.

We have generations of people in this country who believe that man controls everything, climate change and all that nonsense. Well here is a wake up call, in nature man is nothing in the scheme of things, we are the fly on the windshield of the HGV travelling at 60 mph.