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Domainlore charging 5%

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  1. RobM

    RobM Retired Member

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    Added tabs for quick auction type selection
     
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  3. Nigel United Kingdom

    Nigel Well-Known Member Acorn Supporter

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    looks good - it's great having 3 free auction listings at a time. But how about offering customers the chance to buy additional non-refundable slots at say £1 each (maybe sold in blocks of 5 credits for £5) so we could list up to 8 public auctions (inc the 3 free slots) at any one time.
     
  4. RobM

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    No the public auctions are, and will remain, free. That way nobody can moan at me :) If you want your limit increased PM me.
    Also I have an xml feed with the auctions if people want it for whatever reasons - PM or email me.
     
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  5. armistice United Kingdom

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    Dragging up an old thread, but in case you haven't noticed

    There has been a change to the auction rules for Hidden gems with the addition of this:

    *Submissions which were automatically (immediately) accepted for 'Hidden Gems' without undergoing manual approvals could be considered premium for the purposes of 5% selling fee if they should have been classified for Spotlight in the first place.

    I think we can guess which domain prompted this ;)
     
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  6. ian

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    Yup, that specific domain was submitted for spotlight, then cancelled and resubmitted for hidden gem instead. I guess he spotted an opportunity. I've been charged for some hidden gems considered spotlight, which I don't begrudge paying, though the terms hadn't been changed at that point; so glad they have now.
     
  7. armistice United Kingdom

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    The problem is going to be who (and we already know the answer to that) decides if a hidden gem "should have been classified for Spotlight in the first place."

    Is it based on final value (if so why not just add this as a specific amount) or just the judgement of the site owner?

    Considering the line just above the new entry states:
    "We encourage quality of the listings and this allows sellers with a good inventory to enjoy free listings and fee-free sales."

    I does seem contradictory.
     
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  8. ian

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    It does seem as if it needs a complete re-write tbh. I'm grateful platforms such as DL exist, and has proven very profitable for me, so my comments are to offer constructive criticism only, but having a single person responsible for determining the quality of a domain has never felt quite right, though I appreciate it is designed to prevent clutter; but with this new term, the final bid price might determine what is considered 'spotlight' rather than the actual quality; I think hidden gems need to be re-categorised within the first 24 hours before this is a major consideration.
     
  9. armistice United Kingdom

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    I'm only trying to flag this change up so everyone is aware, I'm grateful DL exists too.
     
  10. Ben Thomas

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    That's VERY grey writing. I don't think that's acceptable to be honest. Terms and Conditions need to be clear cut, not "If your domain is a hidden gem but sells for lots of money - I want in".
     
  11. LCHappy United Kingdom

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    I don't know the site owner, but I get the feeling that the person won't use the terms to sue anyone in court. They seem to be more this is the spirit of the terms, if you break them then you won't use the site again. If that is the case then it appears fair enough, the aims at what he is trying to get at is transparent.

    I haven't visited the site in a while, the quality of names for sale seems to have dropped a bit. I used to look out of habit most days, nowadays I can go weeks without looking.
     
  12. Trauiner United Kingdom

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    I'm not sure about that. While DL is an amazing website to find and sell domains, the owner goes on a bit of a power trip sometimes.
     
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    Remember that DO's native language is not English. I think that's why many submissions aren't categorised correctly; i.e. primes demoted to 'gems' etc.
     
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    The owner is an egomaniac which you will find out if you ever have reason to question 'anything'
     
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    I'm confused how "edinburghproperty.uk" got Spotlight approval and then didn't sell :D. Domainlore is confusing most of the time. Also, let me address someone's quote

    I wasn't thinking about Deny's taking people to court, I was thinking about site users taking Deny's to court. Terms and Conditions are there for a reason, so business and customer each know where they stand LEGALLY and MORALLY. If these are changing on a moments notice, using grey writing or otherwise underhand tactics, I think that's a red flag. The Consumer Rights Act has this to say about grey writing:

     
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    I suspect the vast majority of DL sellers are using the site in the course of a business, so the Consumer Rights Act wouldn't apply.
     
  17. LCHappy United Kingdom

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    But what would you want to take legal action against him for? He's not withholding any of your money at any point. What I mean is, at no point in the service does he owe the seller anything for them to try and go to court to take back.
     
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    You should know before publishing the auction live whats going to happen fee wise, it can't just be left to the platforms discretion

    What's the best/easiest way of doing that I don't know - DL having to manually review every auction or maybe any listing that goes beyond x amount will incur 5% fee
     
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  19. Trauiner United Kingdom

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    This would, unfortunately, be correct.
    I think he means in the sense of, you put up a listing because the fees are £5 upfront only. However, you then get a demand to pay 5% because DL decided after the fact that your domain falls into the category they deem you need to pay 5% on.

    The legal action would be to prevent them being able to charge you that. Otherwise, they may try legal proceedings to force you to pay.

    It's like an estate agent saying we will only charge you £250 to sell your property but then end up wanting to charge you £12,000 because halfway through the process they decide your property is 'premium', so they switch the fee structure without asking you.
     
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  20. Ben Thomas

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    This.

    Also, if you are acting as a business on DomainLore, the Sale of Goods Act 1979 still applies. Secondly, there's nothing in the Terms and Conditions that bidders must act as a business, so henceforth anybody who bids may act as a Consumer and be covered by the Consumer Rights Act, whether or not Deny's thinks he's safe sat in Malta. Also, if you are indeed banned for not paying these questionable invoices, I believe if one took DomainLore to court, the courts would see this as unfair business practices. They're essentially extorting money from people and holding your account to ransom. Not cool.
     
  21. ian

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    Denys is in Malta?
     
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